Episode 665 - How to Fight Bruce Lee: Enter the Dragon
In this episode, listen in as Jeremy and Andrew are joined by Seth Adams to talk about How to Fight Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon.
How to Fight Bruce Lee: Enter the Dragon - Episode 665
This episode took us some time to put together because of its legendary status and today, we are joined by Sensei Seth Adams to dissect this film. What does it take to fight Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon? In this episode, listen in as Jeremy, Andrew and Seth talk about How to Fight Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon.
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Jeremy Lesniak:
What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of whistlekick Martial Arts Radio. This time, it's another How to Fight. And we're joined by Sensei Seth as we talk about How to Fight Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon. We had to get a few episodes out of the way before we just shot for the moon and that's why we've got this guy on. If you're new to the show, check out whistlekick.com, whistlekickmartialartsradio.com. We'll give you a bunch of stuff at the tail end how to find since they said all that, but instead of belaboring a big old intro, let's acknowledge the fact that this is a big deal. And we've brought on who Andrew and I feel is the perfect guest to attack that. So, Sensei Seth, welcome back. You literally attack this. We're attacking the problem of attacking.
Seth Adams:
Yep, yep. Yeah, no, I'm excited. I have, like, obviously, like everybody else. Growing up. I was a big fan of Bruce Lee. But then, as I grew up, also, I was like, huh, there are some things here that like, a lot of people tend to love that I think could maybe use work. So, this should be a fun one.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Minute in and he's already offended people. I'll guarantee it. I love it. You're starting off hot.
Seth Adams:
And it'll get worse. It'll get worse.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It'll get worse. It makes me excited. And of course, Andrew, hi.
Andrew Adams:
Hey, how's it going, guys?
Seth Adams:
Hey, you got a great last name there, Andrew.
Andrew Adams:
You know what? You're not wrong.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Do I just say a solid joke? Like there's a change in my last name to Adams for the purpose of this show? For this episode? For this episode.
Andrew Adams:
Jeremy Adams.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Jeremy Adams. Yeah. Sound like a founding father?
Seth Adams:
It's the best part. Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Awesome. Well, folks watching or listening, if you're new to this format, here's what we do. We watch the movie, usually again for the 400th time or something. And we take notes, like where are the holes? What's going on? We might find some vulnerabilities in this character? Remember, Bruce Lee, the person who played the character Lee. And it gets blurry in some of these movies. I don't think there's a movie where it could be blurrier between the actor and the character. Hmm. But it's still a character. We are not saying as we go through this, necessarily No, no, south you might want to make this claim that's fine. I'm not going to... I don't think we are not saying that any of us could beat Bruce Lee.
Seth Adams:
Whistlekick is not liable for things that are about to come out of a sentence.
Jeremy Lesniak:
What we are saying is given a situation where we were wedged into some alternate reality where Enter the Dragon is a real movie and we're in one of those.
Seth Adams:
it's like fighting. How do we do? Like Space Jam but fight here?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah, it's a great example. The original is nothing, not the new one.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, of course not. Definitely. Not definitely not the new one.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Now, how many times have you seen Enter the Dragon? You said you grew up a Bruce Lee fan?
Seth Adams:
So, I grew up a Bruce Lee fan, but like, in a way that I didn't watch a ton of martial arts movies growing up. Like my big database of martial art movie knowledge is almost solely predicated on three ninjas. Hmm, so with that being said, like I got in big trouble with people the other day because I was reviewing some martial arts footage and popped up. And I didn't even acknowledge it. And people were very upset about that. But I would say my knowledge of Enter the Dragon is probably better than, like, my average movie knowledge. Especially specifically with the fight scenes. I love watching fight scenes. I don't love watching martial arts movies. I said it. I'm sorry. But I enjoyed the movement. I don't necessarily enjoy the plot of the rest of the movies. To be honest…
Jeremy Lesniak:
Most of them are great.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, except the best of the best. So, Jeremy, I know you're about to ask me next how many times I've seen the movie
Seth Adams:
So, did you just mute it?
Jeremy Lesniak:
I did. And okay, you got it.
Andrew Adams:
Okay, for those that can't see this, he muted me. Oh my god.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I did. Last time you did it again. It had to happen.
Andrew Adams:
So, I have seen this movie. More times than I can count growing up as a kid, I watched it a lot. When I mentioned to my wife that I needed to rewatch it, she was like, I would absolutely rewatch that movie with you. And so, we watched it on Sunday. And I will say, it was not as good of a movie. I remember it as a kid. It did not hold up as well as a movie, excluding the fight scenes. We'll talk about that later. But as a movie itself, it was not a good thing. Remember it?
Seth Adams:
Yeah, no, that's the tough part about these, I did the same thing. Maybe a couple years ago, it was like, as I was starting to create a bit more, and I was like, man, I should really get back into these movies. Like, I should start watching a couple of these movies. And I sat down on, like, a random Saturday, and watched as many of them as I could. And this one in particular, I got maybe like, halfway through. Now granted, I probably just watched like, three Bruce Lee movies before that. But I got like, halfway through and I was like, I got to the fight scenes. And then I watched fight scenes. And I went, oh, I got to fight scenes. I went back to the fight scenes. Yeah, it's a good movie. But maybe not after three consecutive movies.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It's so interesting. Because if you extract the fight scenes, and you know, we are essentially going to do that we're going to unpack these fight scenes, we're going to go deep on them. If you were to chop those out, what are you left with? You're left with, you know, some dialogue. It's okay. You're left with some acting. It's okay. You do get a decent amount of Bruce Lee's philosophy. You know, I double check to make sure my timeline was right. His writings on Jeet Kune Do. Really were from like, mid to late 60s 67. Specifically, as I dug around, and this film 73. And there were quite a few lines in the movie that made me go, “Oh, okay”.
You know, this is in the books. This is in the books. And I think that part of the reason this movie has this mystical quality, it's most people's first Bruce Lee film. Yeah, a lot of people consider it the gold standard of martial arts films. I think this is why it's not necessarily about the quality of the fight scenes. It's not, it's definitely not about the quality of any of the rest of it. It's because we get the philosophy of steel, the most influential martial artist of all time, in the dialogue, you know, sprinkled throughout, and I think that's an important thing to acknowledge.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, you get a decent bit of like the mysticism of Bruce Lee, right, like, like, all of the best parts of Bruce Lee are encapsulated in this movie. Like all the nuggets, all the little bits of wisdom and like the stoicism that he has, but then the like, how eccentric he was, and his fight scenes, everything like that. It all kind of comes out here. And that's one of those things. Maybe I shouldn't have fast-forwarded so much. I would have missed some of those nuggets. But that's like one of the things that he is perfect for maybe not as dialogue but his one liners like about knowledge, thoughts, you know, whatever it is. It's killer for Bruce Lee.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, and I think it's what he's known for. So, I would say that the one liner is not the comedic one liner, but his philosophy one liners is probably more known from this movie than from anything else. Yeah, no more people have watched this movie than have read his books. And so, I can't think of those types of lines coming out from any of his other movies.
Seth Adams:
Hmm, yeah, this movie specifically has like one line that that got me terrorized in my trick. Shooting internet Instagram phase? Because I used to do it, I used to like my uprising. I would do bottle kicks. Like I would do the tricks like the next level and was always trying to do cool stuff. Goodness gracious. 90,000 comments easily that all say bottles don't hit back. Yeah, even boards. They didn't even have the audacity. They just said bottles, which I guess is a little clever in theory, but after you know, however many of them and they got to read them you have to know that other people's anyway.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Trolls the comments. No, trolls get really excited at their own comment. They don't care what anybody else has to say.
Seth Adams:
Hmm, no. Yeah, they know that everybody agrees?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Of course, because there's only one possible way to understand this other than your way which is completely wrong. Yeah, obviously. Is there anything else we need to say about the film itself before we switch gears here and unpack how we would actually fight this eruptive figure? Let me remind everyone, figurative characters who also happen to be.
Seth Adams:
Um, I think the premise behind layering bad guys is so cool. And having like levels. You know what I mean? Like, it's something that kind of pops up a lot in these movies, but having like, different levels of bad guys, because as you're watching the movie, you're like, it's just going to get worse. Like, it's just going to get harder. Like you're not expecting him to have an easy round next time. You know, you're not expecting a nice next fight, it seems to be less cool. But I'm a fan of that.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, I think you know, it was interesting. The one thing I did enjoy, I enjoyed a lot of things, watching it. But one of the things I enjoyed was to see some of the martial artists from that time frame, Jim Kelly, John Saxon, and Bob Wall. You know, they all made appearances in this movie, some bigger than others. That was pretty cool.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I was watching it with a couple martial arts friends. Also Sunday. And we all agreed we would rather fight Lee than Jim Kelly's character out of this movie.
Andrew Adams:
Fair. Yeah. Now, here's the other question that I couldn't determine. His first name is Lee. Or is this not last name Lee because when he goes in the FBI agent's office, they call him Mr. Lee.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Hmm, like share? What's the mononym? Is that the term?
Andrew Adams:
Yep. Like Prince?
Seth Adams:
Prince. Yep. Madonna.
Andrew Adams:
Madonna. Oh, yeah. Okay. Anyway…
Jeremy Lesniak:
Madonna. Seth. Great. Would it be to be known just as Seth?
Seth Adams:
It'd be pretty impressive, honestly. Because, like, there's some pretty funny sets out there. You know, if I could pull that off. Seth Meyers? Seth Meyers Rogen.
Andrew Adams:
Um, who? Seth Green?
Seth Adams:
Oh, green. Yes. I thought you said cream. I was like, huh, that's a new one. I'd heard of that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
All right. Feel like we're about to detour aren't here.
Seth Adams:
So, let's pull it back. Alright, it's the second time we've gone into some anecdotes about my name. So, we'll not.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It’ll probably not be the last time. As we start watching the movie, we start seeing good things, bad things in the way that he fights. So what did you first notice that you could point to and see, either, this is an asset, this is a liability as you construct your fight strategy.
Seth Adams:
As I started watching the fight scenes, I kind of veered almost more towards what his opponents were doing. So like, a lot of the notes that I was taking were based off of what wasn't being done, rather than what was being done. Hmm. You know, a lot of these scenes are super cool. And they're intricate, but if you watch simply the people he's going against, like, it feels kind of, like, obviously, it's choreographed. But like, if you're looking at them as if they were a real fight, it feels like they're kind of like easy pickins you know, like, they mostly are coming in and then getting attacked. Like, very rarely do you see like, every now and then you'll get some cool counters, and you'll get like an art like a hand trapping sequence. But they're usually not super long, which I usually like. Um, however, most of the fights kind of are from range. And then they are finished by Bruce. So the first thing I noticed is that we got to get better range management. So I think that one of the initial ways is kind of like fainting. Tons of faints. Nobody ever faints in this movie, except for Bruce Lee once or twice. Hmm.
Andrew Adams:
Interesting. I would agree with that. I also noticed, especially in the first fight when he's at the temple, he actually dropped his hands a lot more than I would have expected him to do. I mean, he obviously did it a lot when he would kick. But he did it a lot in general, he dropped his hands way more than I would have thought and has incredibly fast footwork. Yeah. So his ability to move is going to be something you'd want to take into consideration.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, that's the tough part and without talking about any scene specifically, what he's so good at is like, the reason that's tough is because he has the speed and and and the the knowledge To kind of like see movement, and then as movement starts kind of toward it. So you kind of have to try and use it against them a little bit. Like because you're not going to outspeed Bruce Lee, especially me, I'm not going to outspeed Bruce Lee.
Andrew Adams:
You mean Lee?
Seth Adams:
Oh, sorry, Lee. Lee, I'm not going to out speed Lee, any of them, you know. So, what I'm thinking is I got to like, kind of faint, and really make the damage of whatever I'm doing important enough to Lee to make him think twice. Because that's, that's the thing with him is you have like, there's no getting around him if he's flowing.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I noticed throughout just as you said, Seth, you're watching his opponents. What are the opponent's doing? One of the things that almost every opponent did was they would come in single attack home, they would just stop. Yeah. And that creates the situation where Lee has total vision. I'm going to defend this attack. I'm going to counter and then I'm going to make some wonderful facial expressions, possibly throw some sound effects on top of it, and hang out there.
Seth Adams:
Show off how ripped I am. Yeah. Yeah, I wish I mean, to be fair. I probably do too.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Why not? Right. But I think that that creates a vulnerability in that. He does not seem to be looking for that next attack that is possible. Next attack. Yeah, this is one of the places where we have to suspend some disbelief. Yes, this is Movie choreography. But if we're going to treat it as real, we all know, as martial arts practitioners, you always assume there's another attack coming. Don't gloat. And he breaks that rule throughout the film. So I think that's the first place that I would go, you talked about it as fainting, I would make sure that whether I'm fainting, or I'm creating a scenario that brings me inside maybe I take a shot because this is the first person, the first character we've had where I actually outweigh them. Hmm. On the show. Yeah. Is it gonna hurt if I get hit? Sure. But if I can take a shot to close the distance, knowing that he's gonna pose. Yeah, it gives me an opportunity.
Seth Adams:
Make him uncomfortable a little bit, give him something he's not used to. It's funny that you say that, because now the first thought that I have is that I'm just gonna, I'm gonna play that. I'm gonna go in, I'm gonna take that shot. And then I'm down, like, right by his feet, right? He's starting to pose and hit him with a dragon tail sweep or something, you know, something like an up kick, like make him think. And it's funny that you say that I got a chance to talk to Leo Machida the other day, and we were talking about his Crane Kick knockout, which is like, you can be.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Casual namedrops. Nice job.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, no big deal. But it blew my mind. And because he said that. I'm not sure if you remember the Randy Couture knockout, but when he does it, he hits him right on the chin. And he said I knew immediately. It was like, like I had, I had landed it in practice enough. And I did this enough. I was like, so did you know, like, you follow up? Did you know his suit? He was like, as soon as it landed, I knew. And I was like, Wow, that's incredible. Which like, if you are this character, if you are Lee, and You've obviously done enough of these fights enough. I would imagine you would like to start to know, you know, and then you can be like, okay, yeah, I can pose now.
Andrew Adams:
No, but you say that Seth, but at the beginning of the movie, he chastises his student for never taking his eyes off of his opponent. But when he fights O’hara in the movie, Bob Wall's character, he absolutely starts to walk away. And what does O’hara do? He gets up and grabs a couple of bottles like yep. So, he clearly is taking his eyes off of his opponent. So, you know, maybe that's a good point. He doesn't know when he will do a knockout.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, that's fair. That's a great point. Because he does just kind of get up. He's like, “Okay, I'm cool. Now, I didn't think about that.”
Jeremy Lesniak:
And there's one other problem I see with your strategy of playing dead. And that's his pension for stomping on people. Really enjoying the big drama. Ah, and then it looks like there's a little bit of a twist at the bottom of the stock. We don't have free time though.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, we'll see. That's the thing though. If the camera didn't see me, did I actually get stomped on? Huh? Well, and now we're going into like a whole different level of meta.
Andrew Adams:
And also they said you didn't force his sister to kill herself.
Seth Adams:
So true. That's true. I think it's fair to assume that I don't have that written on the board, though, by the way, so. So just so you know.
Andrew Adams:
Jeremy was interesting. You mentioned, you know, I actually wrote down in my notes, don't attack and leave limbs extended, because you're right, so many people would attack and punch, and then just wait there. I mean, it wasn't there, it wasn't waiting long. I mean, the choreography wasn't pretty good. But it was very obvious that, you know, no one was jabbing and coming in, they would just leave whatever limb was extended there, so that he could do his choreography.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And of course, we could, we could talk about the time, you know, that this movie came out, we could talk about movie technology, you know, all these things are very relevant. Yeah. But in the context that we have here, as we construct this alternate reality, we can put those aside.
Andrew Adams:
The last thing I'll say about this is, so many of his fights were the tradition, you know, what I would call I don't know how traditional it is, but coming up and holding a hand, and then you come up, and they touch hand, and it's like, why would you do I would never do that. Like, I would never purposely get that close to striking range. Yeah, so I would just not do that. Because let's face it, Lee was very fast. His hand speed was incredibly fast. There was no way in heck that I'm just gonna hold my hand up here and wait for him to touch me. But forget it.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, I almost feel like that's like, the best bet though. And I say that with thinking, I'm going to get in close, I'm going to touch that hand. And then I'm just going to try and grab him. Me being who I am in this situation. I'm just going to boop, and then try and kind of maybe cheat a little bit. Because you know, there's no cheating. There's no cheating, and just wrapping them up tight. And then just figuring it out from there hoping that I've got something that some attribute that he doesn't that I can get, like just yeah, the weight reads well, something you know, and then go on from there. And then just squeezing.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Hold on for dear life. Andrew?
Andrew Adams:
My thought is, are we getting into how we would actually fight him now?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah, yeah, let's face it, the fight scenes from one to the next don't expose anything, I saw a lot of difference. There isn't, you know, one at the end other than the fact that if you have a detachable hand, yeah. If you have, you know, Cuisinart style attachments that you can attack him with, suddenly his ability to block and get out of the way is dramatically reduced.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, yeah. Well, my first thought when I saw that one was maybe I would try something other than Wolverine claws. That was my first thought, maybe I would go for something a little bit longer. I think the premise is good. But maybe go with a different Marvel hero next time. Interesting. Like, go straight for the gauntlet, you know?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Why not? Yeah, I know.
Andrew Adams:
For me, you know, he seemed well rounded. Actually, Lee's character seemed more well rounded than most other characters that we have done these episodes on. Because he had a stand up game. And right off the bat, he had a takedown with a ground submission. He also is if you actually watch the whole movie. One thing that I forgot to mention before we got into this part is he's superhuman, like we discussed when we did Steven Seagal his ability to grab onto the car and while holding them to the top of the car break aside the window, which takes superhuman power, right? Oh, yeah, there is a scene in this movie, where he jumps about 15 feet in the air from a standstill. Just jumps straight up and sits on a tree, which obviously they filmed it backwards and just played it back. Right? He jumped out of the tree and they felt you. But if we're taking this movie in his real life, that's something to consider. He's clearly superhuman. He also makes no sound. Everyone that walked in this movie had sound effects. But when Lee was at night going around being a ninja, he made zero sound. Everyone else made noise. But he didn't.
Seth Adams:
It's a very interesting catch. I definitely did not notice that. That's crazy. Yeah.
Andrew Adams:
So, in terms of how I fight him, though, I would wish because he's pretty well rounded. I wish I had a little more Capoeira knowledge than I did. Because I don't know how he would do against attacks that would be unexpected. Like you often get income with that unconventional footwork. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't think he would know what to do. With that,
Seth Adams:
Yeah. Especially like as he's not moving back a ton. Like a lot of his stuff is staying still and kind of stopping, or when somebody comes in, comes in pantropic, parrying, stuff like that. So that could be interesting. Because if you don't know where the angle is coming from, if it's not something you're used to, and you're more used to being planted, that can put you in a world of trouble.
Jeremy Lesniak:
That's a cool one. I like them. I think one of my big things would have to be kind of sandbagging it early on, maybe taking some shots and making them feel like I'm not a threat. And getting him to brag or to turn his back or do any of these things where, you know, let's face it, this character when he thinks he's got it doesn't try that hard. He does. What seems fun and flashy or dramatic, he puts on a show, and that's totally fine. You know, I'll eat up a couple if I have to, and then hopefully, find an opportunity because, yeah, it doesn't matter what we identify technique wise, the guy can jump 15 feet into a tree and he is superhuman. You're probably not going to make it. So, you're grasping at straws here.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, you're going to have a hard time. 100% Yep, agreed. Okay, so I'm thinking my fight strategy is his tons of faints, like I mentioned it earlier, a lot of his stuff is predicated on somebody's kind of walking into stuff, or when he's fighting it. Let's start off with this, if we're all fighting at the same time, because that's something that happens in his movies, are
Jeremy Lesniak:
We on one, three on one, okay, I'm going to face you.
Seth Adams:
That's fine. The big bush, which I actually pushed might help me, it changes up the timing, actually, I want to change my plan, we're going to throw one at each other. We're just going to throw him straight into him, it's going to be different in the timing, if he's going to meet us with a sidekick, you might not be able to get that kick up high enough, or fast enough, but no more. So. Like I mentioned, I was looking at the people who were fighting him more than I was looking at him, like I was trying to think of the faults that the people had his opponents had. So, one of the main faults that you see, and like pretty much any movie, is the concept of one person attacking at a time. If I am in a group full of people, I'm going to look at my buddy and I'm going to go, this is going to suck, let's just all do this at the same time.
Instead I watch you, and then I watch him get hurt. And then I'm like, Well, it's my turn to get hurt. You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a little bit of opportunity, if I've got my buddies around, all of a sudden at the same time. Um, however, if that's not the case, if it's just me and him in a sandpit, I'm thinking tons of faints, I am going to try and get off the centerline. I'm a decent bit bigger than him, at least in this movie, I would assume he's the same size as Bruce Lee. I'm going to go with like a big old sweeping Thai roundhouse kick. Actually, he might jump over it, that stuff.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Depends on when you do it depends on if he sees it.
Seth Adams:
It depends on if he sees it, it depends on if I was playing dead beforehand, but I'm thinking like, I'm going to try and cause a ton of damage because usually he'll block one or two. You know, usually at the, at the beginning of the fight, he tries to demoralize people, like, he'll block something, he'll be like, and then and then you'll throw something else. And maybe he'll block that and you'll pair it, you know, Poppy in the head with a backfist. I'm gonna throw something in no matter what happens, it's gonna hurt. Like, even if it gets blocked on the arm, like I'm trying to break an arm. So I'm gonna throw the hardest roundhouse kick I can. And then from there, I'm going to faint, a ton of stuff. Like I want them to know what the powers like. And then I'm gonna faint stuff, or faint. And hopefully, I can start to like catch like little openings, little tendencies. And then from there, kind of try and pick apart from range because I am a bit longer. I don't know if I'm faster. Probably not. I can't jump into a tree. I don't have that kind of fast twitch muscle stuff. But I'm thinking I'm thinking range, and faints and intimidation. Hmm. Make sense?
Andrew Adams:
Yes. Go ahead.
Seth Adams:
I was gonna say now that now that it comes out of my mouth, I don't think he's intimidated the whole time. But anyway.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, those are great ideas. I do like that they can. I like the idea of capital. I don't know that I'm good enough at Capoeira to be able to really effectively use it.
Jeremy Lesniak:
But his movie, Andrew, though.
Andrew Adams:
Oh, good point. We've never discussed that. Yes. Movie, Andrew was definitely a good enough couple. The sandbagging idea is great. I think most of us, you know, we are all bigger than him. You know, he was only about five, eight. You know, so we all have a little bit on him in that regard. Weight wise. I definitely. I got you all, I think on that one. So like, I can eat a few shots like, yeah, right? I think so. Sandbagging is a great idea. I'm a fan of that. He also used the spin kick a lot. And so I would be on the lookout for that and moving to the, you know, to what would be his outside so I can try and get his back. I think that's what I'm ultimately looking for.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, no, that's fair. Um, a lot of his kicks are super impressive in this movie, like, it's hard to tell, he does a good job of, obviously, their telegraph to an extent, for the movie's sake. But his his technique is great for almost all of them, which is one of the reasons that like, so many of these fights and a long range where the person's coming in, because he's like, you know, it allows him for his kicks to shine, his kicks are like one of the best parts of these movies. Um, so with that, in the sandbag, and kind of allows you to draw him in. So you draw him in, out of that kick range. He's got to rely just on his hand trapping, you know, his actual grip, Louise is grappling. Okay, in this movie, right? Makes it tough. But I think that one of the ways that you're going to beat them is going to be kind of making it like a fight, you know, but you know, the scenes at the end. You know, we got our mirror stuff going on. I think some of the psychological warfare is going to be what has to bring him down.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And that was the last piece that I was going to bring up was, if he has a struggle, if there's something he genuinely struggles with, it's adapting to environmental changes. You know, he handled the snake pretty well, with that mirror wall flipping around. Yeah, set him back. He's like, I don't know what to do. Of course, you know what to do? The wall rotated, you go through the rotating wall, maybe you're not sure which side to go in. But the path forward is pretty clear. And he's like, Yeah, I don't know what to do. Yeah, you know, same thing when he's on the other side of the glass cabinet with the spear going through it. When he was in a conventional fight setting, you know, in that circle surrounded by people, he was fine. Yeah. But once that changed, you know, you brought up the hypothetical, the sandpit. Yeah, I'd be grabbing Santa throwing it at him, not just because I would do that anyway. But because I would expect he would have a harder than average time dealing with that, based on his presentation in this film. Good point. Yeah, I'm playing dirty. I'm working in the environment. I'm sandbagging. And I don't know, probably biting his nose or something.
Seth Adams:
Yeah. So, what do we assume that the, and maybe I don't have enough context here. Do we assume that the mirror room was built to contain vitamins? We don't know. Or was it just like a room? Like, did he just have that?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Like, did you have one of those?
Andrew Adams:
Did you have nieces and nephews?
Jeremy Lesniak:
I've got your room over there straight behind us.
Seth Adams:
Okay, I couldn't see it because of the well, right. Because if we had it out, I mean, it would mess up the whole camera and that. Yeah, absolutely. But if you have a room that's designated to fight Lee, which like, I could imagine that maybe this is I don't really see any other point for it. But if you have that room, set more traps, if you have the time, and you know, and you just watched him fight, everyone. Got to set more traps. Yep. And also pull the spear out of the wall. What are you doing? Till the spear out of the wall?
Andrew Adams:
So, in most of these other fights that we've done my wife has always chimed in on what she would do. Hmm. So, my wife knows exactly how to defeat Lee in the movie. She would just be listening for the sound effects because they always happen just before the strike actually happens.
Seth Adams:
You just blindfold yourself. Yep.
Andrew Adams:
You just listen to the sound effect and the jokes coming back. Yeah. And that's my way. She would defeat Lee.
Seth Adams:
It's a great point, if you think about it, although he doesn't make footsteps is the only problem.
Andrew Adams:
So, you'd want to tax him to make sound effects. Right? That's tough. Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, if that's the plan, if we have to train ourselves for that, I'm digging out. My old Nintendo and I play a lot of punches. Oh, because all of those characters had some kind of tell. King hippo opens his mouth, and you get to pop them in the face. Right? Like, you got something in there with just about all of them. And if you can get really good at that you can, you can fight late.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, I like to think that we are all a little bit more equipped. Because of this experience, you know, like if the time ever came, we've watched enough of it, that now we know a little bit, right? Yeah. If some alternate reality puller snatches this out of this call right now, you know, we have a little bit more of these queues.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Where if somebody takes, you know, like, some lock of Bruce Lee's hair, huh. And they built an army of leaves.
Seth Adams:
Probably more, that's probably more probable that
Jeremy Lesniak:
That would be difficult. Yeah, that would be a challenge. It's an army of leaves running around. Yeah.
Seth Adams:
Then you just find the laboratory where they keep like the main connector that has, you know, how there's always that one power source that makes them think. And you just find that thing or…
Jeremy Lesniak:
Or you ask them, so which one of you is the best fighter? And they'll turn on each other?
Seth Adams:
Ooh, that's a good point. Yeah, I don't even think about that. You could just kind of like counter philosophy. Um, a little bit.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Oh, well, you know, if we're going that route, I bet you can't beat up this wall.
Seth Adams:
Hey, you know, those walls full of boards? Well, now maybe he would probably respond with that. He probably well, no, Walls don't hit back.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah. But I think we've got a pretty good plan, though. I think we have to defeat Lee.
Seth Adams:
Yeah, no, I think overall, I could definitely do it. Okay. I think after all, you especially do it. Yeah, I mean… So, the thing is, you know...
Jeremy Lesniak:
You said you were going to go hard at this. I did say I'm not hearing hard. I'm hearing tentative.
Seth Adams:
What ends up happening as you break these things down and you start to think with logic, it tends to fall apart. However, I do think that the three of us I think if it was the three of us, we handle it. No problem. Yeah. If we are hired as goons to take out Lee, easy pickins. You know, it's simple. You don't come in with a weapon, because he's just gonna take it and he's gonna hit you within you all attack at the same time. You don't like if somebody grabs you from behind? Somebody else's attacking in the front?
Jeremy Lesniak:
I mean, we don't wait. No, we don't wait and see what happens. Specifically.
Seth Adams:
We might even have a word. A word to like attack will be like, and then everybody goes or something. You know, broccoli?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Broccoli? Yeah.
Seth Adams:
That kind of sounds like Bruce Lee. If you think about it, he'd be like, just say my name. Like, No,
Jeremy Lesniak:
it'd be all confused.
Seth Adams:
Yes, exactly. Yep. And yeah, no, I think that, uh, let me give it one more go and think it's a plain old me fighting movie. Yeah, I think I will take it. I don't think it moves enough. I think there's too much like, in which is crazy to say that he doesn't move enough specifically in this movie. I think that the movement is one of the things that he's most revered for. However, I don't think it's that good. Compared to like, how we move now and how he's developed footwork says that? Since then keep in good balance, um, being able to get in and off balance. I think that Muay Thai training is going to help a lot. I think that on the outside my karate is going to be just enough to keep him either at bay. Or like pyrus stuff on the outside. I'm not going to run into anything. I'm not going to jump up in the air with Wolverine claws as soon as he jumps. Like, why do they always jump at the same time? But yeah, I think I take him okay. I think I take him.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I would watch that fight. I would enjoy that.
Andrew Adams:
I would pay for that fight.
Seth Adams:
See that? I'm going to have to like, dominate the video edit me. These things like oh, [00:39:59-00:40:01] go for something.
Jeremy Lesniak:
We'll figure that out for it to go for... I mean, I don't think there's, you know, Jake Paul money in there. No, but I'd pay for it, too.
Seth Adams:
And the good part about that is that if it's me, I fight him. You know, I don't think there's any repercussions to that. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.
Andrew Adams:
No, not at all. No way. No one. No one would care.
Seth Adams:
No, no, no, probably not. If anything, they will probably be happy about it.
Andrew Adams:
I think so. Go for that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah. I look forward to it. I'm going to start preparing popcorn now. Perfect. Awesome. Gentlemen, we got anything else to add? I think we hit this one pretty well.
Seth Adams:
No, I don't think so. Let me know.
Andrew Adams:
I mean, you usually at this point, we let you know, if the actor wants to come on and reboot, we would give that but that's not an option in this case. Yeah. So…
Jeremy Lesniak:
So don't worry, the internet will reboot for him. That's fair.
Seth Adams:
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. If there's anything that the internet is known for, it's for defending Lee. That's true. Yep.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Seth, where can people find you?
Seth Adams:
Um, just type in Sensei Seth, anywhere, wherever that takes you. I'll be happy to find you there. If you could. YouTube is big. If you want to see others like, a Bruce Lee breakdown of what I think of him as a fighter. You can find me there.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, people want to go deeper and see why you think you're so much better in every way. Bruce Lee. Go to YouTube. And type in Sensei Seth hates Bruce Lee. Yeah. And there's going to be 74 videos that they can watch.
Andrew Adams:
And 12,000 comments.
Seth Adams:
12... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, if they want, if they are feeling a little spicy in either direction, if they're like, I hate this guy. I want to see what he has to say. And I want to hit a mark. That's fine. I understand. Or if you think the opposite, you're like, Yeah, I've always kind of had a sneaking suspicion that maybe he doesn't fight. You could go there.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Well,thanks. Thanks for coming back. Thanks for coming on the show. This was fun. We knew it was gonna be fun. And of course, it was fun. Oh, yeah. Maybe we'll do it again. Who knows? We'll see what happens. Maybe there's a need for a part two, or we all just, you know, have our houses burned out?
Seth Adams:
Does Bruce Lee have other movies where he fights? Can we do our part two that we can make?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Do you mean that? Sarcastically or genuinely?
Seth Adams:
Genuinely. So many layers in this?
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yeah, the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Andrew, thank you. Thanks for coming on. Yeah. All right, viewers, listeners. If you like what we do subscribe notifications, leave us reviews, Patreon. Please make sure you check out sensei SAP and all the cool stuff he's got going on. And yeah, patreon.com/whistlekick. And if you've got a suggestion for the next way to fight, especially who we should bring on to do it. Let us know, you can email me Jeremy@whistlekick.com.
Seth Adams:
Can I make a quick suggestion?
Andrew Adams:
Please.
Seth Adams:
And then you can end it. Three ninjas, how would you fight the three ninjas? All three.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Now if you limited it to one, also the real impact on direction we could take it. Yes, that's fair. Yeah. But if we fought all three, if you fought all three, as youth?
Seth Adams:
You don't have to include grandpa. Yeah, definitely as a youth 100%.
Andrew Adams:
Okay, we got to work on a guest then. All right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I wonder who we could bring on. Alright.
Seth Adams:
I don't know anybody.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Thank you, everyone. Until next time, train hard, smile, and have a great day.