Episode 1143 - Martial Things with Paul Coffey
In this episode join Andrew in whistlekick’s Martial Things series. This week he sits down and chats with Paul Coffey with a plan to talk about……. nothing. No plan, just a conversation to see where it takes them.
Martial Things with Paul Coffey - Episode 1143
SUMMARY
In this episode of Martial Things With, Andrew Adams and Paul discuss the evolution of podcasting, the importance of improvisation in martial arts, the decline of martial arts movies, and the potential for creating a collaborative martial arts film. They explore how interview techniques have changed over time and the significance of engaging with guests without prior research to enhance listener experience. The conversation also touches on the need for more martial arts films and the creative ideas surrounding their production.
In this engaging conversation, Paul and Andrew share their experiences in martial arts and filmmaking, discussing memorable home movies, the No Film Film Festival, and the 48-Hour Film Challenge. They explore the idea of creating a martial arts film challenge to foster community and collaboration within the martial arts world. The discussion highlights the importance of supporting one another in the martial arts community and the joy of creative projects.
TAKEAWAYS
Improvisation is a crucial skill in martial arts and podcasting.
Not researching guests can lead to more engaging interviews.
The decline of martial arts movies correlates with the popularity of martial arts in the 80s.
Creating a collaborative martial arts film could engage the community.
Improvisation improves listening skills and adaptability.
Martial arts schools are exploring creative marketing strategies.
The importance of storytelling in martial arts and film.
Home movies can be a fun way to explore martial arts creativity.
The martial arts community is rich with potential collaborators for film projects.
The No Film Film Festival allowed participants to creatively remake classic films.
The 48-Hour Film Challenge involves teams creating a film in a short time frame.
They discuss the challenges and fun of adapting a film to a different genre.
The idea of a martial arts film challenge is proposed to encourage creativity.
Community support in martial arts is essential for growth and collaboration.
They emphasize that martial arts schools should uplift each other rather than compete.
The conversation flows freely, showcasing the spontaneity of their discussion.
Paul shares his excitement about upcoming projects and collaborations.
The importance of enjoying the creative process is highlighted.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
03:00 The Evolution of Podcasting and Interview Techniques
06:00 The Importance of Improvisation in Martial Arts
09:00 The Decline of Martial Arts Movies
11:56 Creating a Martial Arts Film: Ideas and Collaborations
23:49 Martial Arts Memories and Home Movies
25:39 The No Film Film Festival Experience
30:54 The 48-Hour Film Challenge
35:45 Proposing a Martial Arts Film Challenge
42:52 Community and Collaboration in Martial Arts
47:54 Closing Thoughts and Future Project
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SHOW TRANSCRIPT
Andrew Adams (00:11.758)
Alright, how's it going, man? I am great. I'm excited to to chat with you. You want to just jump right in? Alright, awesome. So in case you're new, not you, Paul, you're not new. But in case the person listening or watching is new, this is an episode of What's the Click Martial Arts Radio, but it's kind of a unique one called Martial Things With. And so
paul (00:16.527)
Good, how are you?
paul (00:22.543)
Sure.
Andrew Adams (00:40.172)
The concept for this episode or this series was we here at Whistlekick, we often will have a topic that we'll bring a guest on and we'll talk about a specific thing. But we found that it led to I don't want to say too structured of an episode, but it didn't give us the opportunity to just freeform and go wherever we want to. Like our interview episodes on Mondays are.
paul (01:04.485)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (01:08.62)
great and they're amazing and the guests can go wherever they want. but it's usually about them and their journey and it's less just talking martial arts. So if you're new here, awesome. Thank you so much for being here. This is gonna be a fun one. I guarantee it because I know Paul and it's gonna be fun. You can you can check us out Whistlekick Martial Arts Radio for all of the episodes that we've done. over 1100 at this point. You can all find them there for free.
paul (01:17.626)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (01:34.988)
You can also go to whistlekick.com to find out about all of the other things that we do here at Whistlekick. You can purchase some sparring gear, or maybe you want to purchase some apparel or a training program, or maybe you want to attend one of the events we host around the country. All of that stuff can be found at whistlekick.com. Okay, I think I'm done. Paul, how are you, my friend?
paul (01:58.211)
I'm good. How are you? Right.
Andrew Adams (02:00.398)
I'm a little out of breath right now, but I'm I'm good. But I'll I will make do. I'll make do.
paul (02:05.423)
That's that's the world of being a podcaster because I find myself out of breath when I get like three fourths of the way through my own spiel.
Andrew Adams (02:13.098)
Yeah, yeah. And you know, it's something you just have to learn to deal with and cope. I mean that's it sounds dumb, but that's a martial skill in and of itself, right? You know, like you are most likely not going to be attacked when you're at your a hundred percent. So you know, you gotta learn to work through that stuff. Well, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
paul (02:21.505)
Absolutely.
paul (02:29.527)
Right. Right. And definitely not a hundred percent aware and attacked. Ja you know what I think is interesting on that same topic is when you all get a brand new guest, do you have them like, Do we need to do a pre interview? Do you need to know about me?
Andrew Adams (02:47.416)
That's a great That's a great question. So okay, we're gonna peel back the curtain a little bit. We're we're gonna give you listeners or watchers, if you're viewing this on YouTube, hit the like and subscribe button. Thank you. we're gonna give you a little bit of insider baseball, as they say. when Jeremy first started doing the show and did interviews, it was before I was even involved with the show, but he was
paul (02:54.713)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
paul (03:00.793)
Yes.
paul (03:04.77)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (03:17.634)
I'm not going to say that he was nervous, but he had a script. He would show up with a list of questions that that he kind of went through. And I think for a brand new podcaster, that's a really smart way to do it until you get more comfortable, right? and if there are any brand new people watching, Jeremy was not even supposed to be the original host of the show. It was supposed to be someone else, right? and so he kind of did it last minute. And
paul (03:20.889)
Mm-hmm.
paul (03:33.337)
Mm-hmm.
paul (03:43.045)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (03:47.501)
There is a form that you do fill out to come on the show. Anyone that wants to come on the show, for the most part, there's some exceptions, but everybody fills out a form. They go on our our booking page and book a time to to come on the show, and they have to answer some questions. What their name is, you know, if they want us to use a title. you know, we've had some people get mad at us we didn't use their instructor's title. Well, the instructor asked us not to, right?
paul (03:52.793)
Mm-hmm.
paul (04:15.333)
Right.
Andrew Adams (04:16.318)
And you know, they put in their email address, stuff like that. And there is a section for other things we should know about you. The re and that is just kind of a holdover from way back in way back in the day. The reality is we don't, and Jeremy, when he interviews, chooses intentionally not to research the guest. And the people watching or listening are probably like
What the heck? Why would he not research like everybody who goes on TV and does an interview, the person interviewing them has read their book or like has seen the movie or is like knows stuff about them. And I I had a good discussion with Jeremy about this. and I think there's something martial to take away from this. But the person listening to the episode, in a lot of cases, won't know the guest. Like, no no offense to you, Paul, but
paul (04:44.122)
Mm-hmm.
paul (04:48.803)
Mm-hmm.
paul (05:00.494)
Absolutely.
paul (05:09.882)
Right.
Andrew Adams (05:10.498)
Joe Schmo in California may have no clue who you are. Zero. And they just listen to the podcast because they like the podcast. And so they sit down and listen. And if they in California listening to the interview with Paul Coffee is thinking, Paul just said this thing. I would like to know more about that. But Jeremy interviewing you because he knows you doesn't ask that question because he already knows the answer.
paul (05:12.962)
Absolutely not.
paul (05:37.199)
Right.
Andrew Adams (05:41.207)
He, as the interviewer, is doing a disservice to the people listening. So he chooses to not go in researching the guest ahead of time. Now, obviously, there are always people that Jeremy is going to know ahead of time, whether they're friends of his or someone like Cynthia Rothrock. When she came on the show, obviously Jeremy knew who she was, right? Jeff Speakman, you know, Don Wilson. These are people that are well known, but for the most part,
paul (05:45.765)
Mm-hmm.
paul (05:56.015)
Right.
paul (06:00.771)
Right. Right. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (06:09.398)
It doesn't do much research. And I think the martial takeaway from that is when you are out in the world, you don't have the opportunity to know who is attacking you, putting in air quotes. Because we could be talking sparring, right? You could be at a at a tournament, right, competing. And you know, if you've been on the tournament circuit, you may have sp sparred against this person before, but your first time, you have no idea who they are.
paul (06:18.17)
Mm-hmm.
paul (06:27.588)
Mm-hmm.
paul (06:33.999)
Mm-hmm.
paul (06:37.421)
Right. Well, so like I think there's a couple of takeaways from this, and it popped up so many times this past week. I I did an I did an episode where I interviewed Randall, who is part of the Kung Fu Conversations podcast. I'm I'm sure he's within your all's purview. And after I did the interview with him, he's like, Y'all.
Andrew Adams (06:53.868)
Yep, yep.
paul (07:00.533)
Him and him and him and her and her and her. And like he gave me like a litany of lists, and as I'm chasing down all these people, so many of them like, Do you even know who I am? I was like, That's what the conversation's about, first of all. But but also like it's weird to me because most of who I'm talking to are teachers, right? And so why are teachers feeling that they need to prep for the brand new student coming in beyond just prepping themselves? You know?
Andrew Adams (07:28.183)
Yeah, that's a good point.
paul (07:30.765)
And then the other point was that I see your all in weekend T shirt and I was there and martial arts improv came up while we were there during martial arts weekend. And it feels like that's the same thing that I'm doing here. So when I do my interviews and I don't prep and you know, I I don't research, if somebody wants me to see their book, I'll read the first little bit and
Andrew Adams (07:41.73)
Yes. Yep.
paul (07:59.663)
Get the vibe for what it's about, skip to the end and read how it ends. You know. Yeah, the but the butler did it okay, good. But I I won't take the time to like read all of it, make notes on it. In chapter four, what happened here? Well, we you know, I'm not having that kind of a conversation, but I feel like having the conversation where it's just improv, it's just conversation.
Andrew Adams (08:05.336)
Find out that the butler did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
paul (08:25.091)
It improves our martial arts listening skills. It improves our improv skills. It feels like it's part of the lost art, right?
Andrew Adams (08:34.348)
Yeah, yeah, I could see that. That makes a lot of sense.
paul (08:38.383)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (08:39.754)
You I mean and you just have to constantly yes and. So when someone jumps out at you and asks for your wallet, you say yes and what else do want?
paul (08:47.373)
Right. Absolutely. What else do you want? How can I use this wallet as a weapon? How can I that's right.
Andrew Adams (08:51.822)
That's right. you know, I mentioned Jeff Speakman earlier that I just had in my head there's a scene in The Perfect Weapon where he throws his wallet at the g at the assailants. So there you go. That's how you can use that's a weapon.
paul (08:56.335)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
paul (09:05.059)
Yeah. That well that's what my master, Master Rickard, Joan Rickard, she would always talk about throwing your wallet or throwing your keys or throwing your phone even as part of the thing. So she would teach that in seminars when she was teaching seminars. Brilliant. Right. What what else about movies? 'Cause I have you since we brought up Jeff Speakman in his movie, there is there's there is a hypothesis that I have
Andrew Adams (09:17.836)
Yeah. Why not?
paul (09:35.181)
Which is you know how we said three percent of the American population takes martial arts, right? If we rewind that clock to the eighties, I bet the percentage is higher.
Andrew Adams (09:42.254)
Okay. Yep.
Andrew Adams (09:48.532)
sure. I could totally see that.
paul (09:49.975)
And I and I bet there's a direct correlation between the percentage being higher and the number of martial arts movies that
Andrew Adams (10:00.288)
I think that's a really fair point. You know, if you look at like we right now could probably go back and forth and we shouldn't make this a game, but it would be really fun. Maybe in person we'll do this at Summit. but we go back and forth naming martial arts movies from the eighties, like you name one and then I have to name one and we can't double up. That'd be really fun. basically. But like we right now could rattle off dozens of
paul (10:21.423)
Well that's the rest of the episode if we did that.
Andrew Adams (10:29.525)
of martial arts movies from then. Go ahead. Let's name martial arts movies from now. Like just the last 10 years, right? There are now are there movies with martial arts in them? Sure. But I'm talking the like the the perfect weapon with Jeff Speakman and we talked about earlier, right? It was a movie, but let's face it, it was a martial arts movie. Kickboxer.
paul (10:29.549)
Mm-hmm. Right.
paul (10:42.745)
Yes, yes.
paul (10:50.925)
Right.
paul (10:56.878)
Right.
Andrew Adams (10:59.287)
Best of the best. you know, all of these movies, all you know, pretty much every Jean-Claude Van Damme movie, they were martial arts movies. I don't think today there exist martial arts movies. Or there are there are fee a few. Like I'm thinking Black Creek that Cynthia Rothrock did. What's that? sure, sure, sure. So there are some, but the number of them is yeah, the number of them are.
paul (11:00.761)
Right.
paul (11:06.106)
Right.
paul (11:18.807)
Or the Raid? The Raid series? I don't know if you've seen it. Yeah. There are some. But they're few and far between.
Andrew Adams (11:29.735)
Fewer and farther between, for sure.
paul (11:31.619)
Right. So either we need to start as martial arts schools, saying that we don't teach martial arts and we teach superhero skills. Really? Wonder how that frames up.
Andrew Adams (11:41.548)
And I know schools that have started that type of thing. For sure. Yeah. I mean I we'd have to bring him on directly and we could certainly do that if you wanted to come back, we could certainly bring him on. but but yeah, I do know schools that that that teach like I and and I I don't I wanna be careful. I'm I'm going to purposely not say who it is because in case I get something's wrong, but
paul (11:56.079)
Okay.
paul (12:07.535)
Okay.
Andrew Adams (12:10.805)
They have D and D type days where like today it's learned to fight like a rogue. Or like, you know, they they have these different skills. and or, you know, obviously Ludosport is its own thing. Are you familiar with Ludosport? Yeah. So like obviously like that same sort of thing, like a Star Wars day where they're doing sword stuff, and it's definitely a martial art type movements.
paul (12:17.044)
Ooh, okay.
paul (12:26.681)
Yeah, yes. Yes.
paul (12:36.42)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (12:40.009)
And so they use that in some of their marketing. and it's definitely different than advertising I'm just a martial arts school, and it definitely appeals to a different audience for sure.
paul (12:54.639)
For sure. my my home school that's right around the corner from my house, is now ran by Master Allen and he does lightsaber classes. Yeah. So it does exist. But anyway, you we either have to do that or we have to start making movies.
Andrew Adams (13:06.305)
Yeah. Yep.
Andrew Adams (13:13.931)
I mean I'm a fan of I'm a fan of that, sure.
paul (13:16.293)
Right. Well, and you got the face for it.
Andrew Adams (13:19.603)
I mean, yeah. Absolutely. If you're only listening, you're missing out. Go to YouTube, check it out. No, I think that would be a lot of fun. If only we had tons and tons and tons of money or tons and tons and tons of backing. I mean Cynthia Rothrock, you know, famous martial arts actress, amazing martial artist has been on the show. You can listen to her episode.
paul (13:29.893)
Brilliant. Mm-hmm.
paul (13:37.219)
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
paul (13:43.641)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (13:49.297)
but she funded Black Creek as I understand it, like a majority of the funding for her movie was done through kickback, Kickstarter.
paul (13:59.205)
Mm. That's interesting. I mean Whistlekick has a lot of those type of individuals that are within its atmosphere and a w we should do a whistlekick movie and we can crowdfund it. We can crowdfund it with everybody that we attach.
Andrew Adams (14:11.32)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (14:14.818)
That would be that would be cool.
Andrew Adams (14:20.408)
Okay, okay. So we gotta we need some actors for the movie. Who are we bringing in? Who are we bringing in? Now, okay, here's here's the stipulation. Do do they have to have already been on the show?
paul (14:24.473)
Yeah.
paul (14:30.285)
I don't know. I don't know that they have to have already been on the show. I so so I had I had this crazy idea to I have worked in film as well. Like I have produced a feature linked documentary that is called Face Yes, called Facing East. and I've done like narrative work as well. and as martial artists we're all storytellers. But I had thought like what if we got a group of martial artists that were writers together
Andrew Adams (14:33.56)
Okay.
Andrew Adams (14:42.648)
Okay, so you're in, got it.
paul (14:58.935)
And we're like, we're gonna have a contest for the top three best story outlines. So people turn in three to five pages, they're all peer reviewed, they're all voted on. The top three get turned into turned into scripts, then the top script voted on, and that's the one that we like try and make in some capacity. I just thought it'd be I thought it'd be cool.
Andrew Adams (15:20.262)
I what I j hey audience, what I just heard is Paul is volunteering to put this together. Love it. That's what I heard, right? Audience, you heard that too.
paul (15:30.725)
Ha ha ha
Andrew Adams (15:35.052)
Yeah. Yeah. I c I I totally see people lining up at like at the door to to be a part of this.
paul (15:39.937)
Mm-hmm. I I also like the idea of the first person that I would think of, and this is not a plug from Marshall Summit, though it can quickly turn into one, is Matt Page.
Andrew Adams (15:52.184)
yeah. Mm the I mean he would have to be but here's the thing, would he be the bad guy or who or would he be the good guy?
paul (15:58.539)
I I I picture that he is not necessarily like we want him attached, but is it is he the bad guy or the good guy? I think he is comic relief for sure because he is brilliantly funny. And he he's the type of guy that you write the outline for what he's gonna say and expect him to improv, you know, 60% of what he has.
Andrew Adams (16:12.235)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Adams (16:19.352)
Yeah.
See, I I almost feel like you don't write him any lines at all and he just figures it out.
paul (16:26.851)
You you're just like Matt Blank. Matt Blank
Andrew Adams (16:29.602)
Yeah. for anyone listening or watching that might not recognize the name Matt Page. Matt Page is the the actor that portrays Master Ken. you can listen to his episode. He's been on the show. I'm gonna try and pull this out of my butt. and I don't have my phone to check it out, but I think he was episode forty seven. Man, now I feel like I gotta look that up.
paul (16:37.145)
Mm-hmm.
paul (16:41.188)
Mm-hmm.
paul (16:54.341)
That's early. That's early.
Andrew Adams (16:58.05)
But but let well I'm gonna look that up while we keep talking and and I'll I'll I'll correct.
paul (17:00.889)
That's fine. But so so like I wouldn't say though that Matt Page comes in as Master Ken. I d Master Ken's not necessarily in the movie. You know?
Andrew Adams (17:11.584)
Okay, that's fair. Yeah, no, no. I I would agree with that. I would agree with that. And
paul (17:15.309)
And he could make a new character, same majestic mustache.
Andrew Adams (17:20.363)
I'm I'm I'm gonna come on my stupid iPad. Get back here. Okay, you ready for this?
paul (17:25.589)
were you right? Were you right?
Andrew Adams (17:29.832)
does it show up? It's episode forty seven. It doesn't show up. It's too there it is.
paul (17:33.515)
It does, it does. Episode forty seven.
Andrew Adams (17:36.688)
I pulled that out of my butt. gosh, now I hope Master Ken doesn't hear that quote. They're Master Ken's gonna hear that quote and is gonna just clip it out and use it in all I just Andrew Adams said, I just pulled Master Ken out of my butt. man. That's bad. Anyway.
paul (17:51.845)
Especially now that you rephrased it where you can get the audio.
Andrew Adams (17:57.911)
Yeah, I know, right? no, I agree. I don't think Master Ken should be in the movie, but Matt Page is an actor who is a very good actor. If you have not seen his he has been in a number of things. he has his own movie that he produced and wrote. I'm pretty sure he wrote and produced. Don't at me if I'm wrong. Matt Page is gonna hear this and like, Andrew, you're gonna but which you can s find on where did I get it? On Amazon Prime.
paul (18:04.365)
Mm-hmm. Right.
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (18:27.628)
I can't remember the name of it. It's g gonna kill me. That I'm not gonna pull out of my butt. But he was in Paper Tigers, which you can find on Netflix. He's been in a lot of other things. Okay, for sure. All right, let's move on. Who else?
paul (18:27.737)
Mm-hmm.
paul (18:35.949)
Right. And he's he's he has a lot of range, but I would want him to be comedic 'cause that's just my preference. Yeah. I I wonder could we get Cynthia to come in and do even if it's a small role or a scene? Right.
Andrew Adams (18:41.715)
no no, I agree. Yeah. Okay, who else?
Andrew Adams (18:49.806)
I mean we we'd love to. She she is ph phenomenal on the screen. She unquestionable martial arts skill. absolutely she would be phenomenal. Can we get her? I don't We'll we'll have to find out.
paul (19:05.143)
Mm-hmm. Right. My understanding is that Michael Jai White is within your atmosphere.
Andrew Adams (19:13.454)
Never been on the show, but we have a number of connections to him. there are a lot of whistlekick team members who are black belts of Bill Wallace, Superfoot. Michael J. White is a black belt under Bill Wallace. Actual fun fact when Jeremy tested for his last rank under Grandmaster Wallace, Michael J. White was on the testing board.
paul (19:15.725)
Right. Mm-hmm.
paul (19:24.281)
Mm-hmm.
paul (19:28.377)
Mm-hmm.
paul (19:41.967)
Awesome. That's really cool.
Andrew Adams (19:43.16)
So so he had to be there doing all of his techniques and seeing out of the corner of my eye, Holy crap, that's Michael J. White.
paul (19:50.021)
That's not intimidating at all.
Andrew Adams (19:52.268)
No, luckily he was not at my testing, so
paul (19:55.226)
Ha ha ha.
Andrew Adams (19:57.698)
Yeah. But yeah, that would be cool.
paul (19:58.809)
Right. W and I I I actually I when I interviewed Nathan Porter, who has been on your old show, he like I like kind of pitched this idea to him and he was all he was all in. He liked that idea.
Andrew Adams (20:06.537)
Mm-hmm. Sure.
Andrew Adams (20:13.707)
Yeah.
Yeah, I could see I could see Nathan Porter being on board. And he's fairly close to you know, he's it here in New England. He's in Massachusetts, so he's close for a lot of the whistlekick people. yeah, no, I dig that. I dig that. Who else could we get?
paul (20:19.364)
Mm-hmm.
paul (20:27.908)
Mm-hmm.
paul (20:33.239)
And I well, I think what would be interesting is the people that are not specifically actors, but are martial artists, like one Steven Watson or one Tommy Given being
Andrew Adams (20:39.972)
sure.
Andrew Adams (20:44.697)
for sure. Like, yeah, I was I'm I'm also envisioning like, okay, if we could get a cast of like three or four comedic relief people that like they're there they're a gang. Okay, all right, here we go. Here's a gang led by Matt Page, but the gang consists of Matt Page, Steven Watson, Tommy Given, Mark Warner.
paul (20:56.005)
Good thing.
Right.
paul (21:09.276)
And Nick Tabor.
Andrew Adams (21:11.887)
and Nick Tabor, sure. Okay. Yeah. So that's it. Matt but Matt's the leader, he but they're all comic relief the whole time. They're like the five stooges.
paul (21:17.445)
Yes, yes, yes.
Andrew Adams (21:24.045)
Was that five or was that six? I don't know. I'm not gonna count. I dig it. I dig it.
paul (21:27.011)
Ha ha.
Yeah. Like it it it writes itself almost when you start doing it that way.
Andrew Adams (21:34.347)
Yeah. Now here's a question. When you were younger, did you do home movies, martial art like did you try and do your own martial art movies? Like with like home video cameras and stuff?
paul (21:37.924)
Mm-hmm.
paul (21:45.067)
I I didn't so I did not try and do my own movies when I was younger. But so I got in I got into film by doing the documentary that I look forementioned, and then we did several other short films where we were trying to do productions on all those short films and then on several other short films that other people did, I did I did stunts.
And choreography and some acting in that capacity, like just being a grunt in the back, because I can get my head slammed into a table that'll look cool but won't hurt me, those sort of things. and then after that I did this other thing that we never released to the world, but we were just calling it scenes. And so the idea is you write a movie, you film a scene.
Andrew Adams (22:26.306)
Yeah, yeah.
paul (22:42.253)
And so you've got to pick one scene. It can be like Star Wars where we start in the middle, like we can start the beginning wherever we want to. But like we would just do a fight scene. And so we recorded like six of those where it's like fight scene is done, the action scene of the car chase is done, the dramatic monologue done. And we but those never got released or have yet to get released, we say. But in making movies, you gotta kill your babies, Andrew.
Andrew Adams (23:06.978)
Gotcha.
Andrew Adams (23:11.628)
It there's a quote right there.
paul (23:14.879)
That's that's a quote that's famous in the movie industry. David Lynch said that.
Andrew Adams (23:17.72)
Okay, okay.
Okay, so I'm not in the movie industry, although I have some experience mak I'm gonna put this in air quotes, making movies.
paul (23:23.161)
Really. Mm-hmm.
paul (23:28.717)
So did you do did you do the home movies?
Andrew Adams (23:31.543)
I did. So when I was a k so I started training martial arts in high school. And a couple of my friends got involved with me. And w this is so bad. I had forgotten all about this until we started talking about it. One of my friends had a birth defect in his body. And what's that? Yeah. So his chest, like when he wore shirt, you would have no idea. But if y he took his shirt off
paul (23:49.477)
Okay. Same.
Same, I have a birthday.
Andrew Adams (23:59.469)
He had an indentation in his chest and
paul (24:01.412)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (24:05.878)
Yeah, no, okay, so you gotta be watching that now now this is now an X rated video on YouTube. Thanks a lot. For those for those just listening, Paul lifted up his shirt and showed us his chest. Now we're gonna get flagged on YouTube. I'm just kidding.
paul (24:12.133)
No, it's not.
paul (24:19.799)
I have I have the same thing.
Andrew Adams (24:22.54)
But his was twice as deep as yours. His was a good three to four inches. And it was very like it was very the the contrast was very stark. It wasn't like s it was like anyway. So we were all doing martial arts together and we decided to take our our home video camera, because back then you had a video camera. It wasn't your phone. And we started making movies and we, you know
paul (24:25.689)
Okay.
paul (24:39.098)
Mm-hmm.
paul (24:47.705)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (24:51.98)
When you're making movies what you can like not hit the person depending on the angle and it looks like they did. So we actually had a move that we did where I would do a spear hand into the hole in his chest, but because of the angle, you you couldn't really see the hole and it looked like I really like went in deep. It was
paul (24:57.081)
Yeah.
paul (25:14.467)
Yeah. That's brilliant. Love that.
Andrew Adams (25:17.026)
Yeah, yeah, that was really fun. And then my other home movie and and longtime listeners of the show will have heard this story before. but given that we have eleven hundred episodes, it's entirely possible you haven't heard the story yet. I got involved years ago, probably fifteen years ago at this point, with a film making competition.
paul (25:39.813)
That's cool.
Andrew Adams (25:40.834)
And my ex wife now, at the time my wife, she her dad was in charge of this public access TV channel. And they were doing this film festival and it was called the No Film Film Festival because no one actually uses film anymore, right? It's all digital. And for this particular year, I think this is the second year that I got involved, the it was a competition.
paul (25:53.092)
Okay.
paul (26:00.249)
Very cool. Okay. Right.
Andrew Adams (26:10.175)
And the competition ran like this. You they gave you a list of classic eighties movies, and you chose one eighties movie that you were gonna do a seven to fifteen minute remake of that movie.
paul (26:17.591)
Mm.
Andrew Adams (26:28.075)
But here's the catch. You arrive, every team you put your team together, you register your team, you register the movie that you're going to remake, and then all of the teams show up on Friday night in one location, and every team randomly draws the genre that their movie has to be remade in.
paul (26:38.734)
Uh-huh.
paul (26:43.109)
Okay.
paul (26:54.485)
Ooh. This is very similar to the forty eight hour film festival. Yeah.
Andrew Adams (26:56.151)
And then
Okay. And then you have you have one week. You have from Friday night when you get you know your movie, but then you figure out what genre you have to do. You have until the following Friday night to submit your seven to fifteen minute video. So some of the classic eighties movies, go ahead, throw some out. I'll tell you if you there are you'll you'll get some of I'm sure.
paul (27:07.96)
Uh-huh.
paul (27:13.101)
Mm.
paul (27:20.933)
Амін Блуд спорт восьми фаврет.
Andrew Adams (27:23.469)
Bloodsport wasn't on there, but there was a martial arts movie from the eighties that is now remember this isn't all martial arts movies, but there was one martial arts movie on the list from the eighties, probably the most famous martial arts movie.
paul (27:37.785)
The most famous non Bruce Lee or Bruce Lee? Okay. 'Cause I would say Under Siege or Under Siege two? No. No. the Karate Kid. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew Adams (27:40.055)
Correct. No, non non brusley.
No, no.
Andrew Adams (27:49.369)
The Karate Kid, right? Karate Kid was on the list. Now, do I need to bother to read any of the other titles for you to know what movie we chose? Right. Obviously we're gonna do the Karate Kid. But like Terminator was on there, Driving Miss Daisy, what what else? Gosh, I'm not gonna back to
paul (27:57.342)
Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
paul (28:09.411)
I would love to make Driving Miss Daisy a martial arts movie. Okay.
Andrew Adams (28:12.258)
Back to the Future was on the list. there were so many. and that the list was probably 25 movies long. I got the karate kid and said, This is the one we're gonna do. So we show up on Friday night to figure out what genre we're going to have to do the remake in. And it could be zombie, it could be western, it could be musical, which
paul (28:17.849)
Yeah.
paul (28:21.509)
Mm.
paul (28:25.743)
Mm-hmm.
paul (28:39.695)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (28:42.23)
Would have been interesting. Could have been documentary, could have been talk show. There were so many like different sci-fi fantasy, right? All the ones, horror, all of the stuff was there. So my team had gotten together ahead of time and come up with some ideas like, well, if it's gonna be sci-fi, this might be the direction we go or whatever. So we we pull our genre and it was
paul (28:51.941)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (29:08.706)
The one the one we that we wanted the least was musical. Luckily we did not get musical, so we didn't have to do the karate kit as a musical. But we did have it would have been harder, for sure. But we got one of the ones that was way down on the list that we did not want, and it was documentary.
paul (29:18.702)
You could have pulled that off.
paul (29:24.301)
Right. But you could have done it.
Andrew Adams (29:35.104)
And so we I'll spare you the details, but we made we remade the Karate Kid. I think the movie ended up being like thirteen or fourteen minutes long, and we basically did a documentary of the Kar of a remake. It's not a documentary on the Karate Kid. I played Daniel LaRusso, Daniel Cornguth, who who has been on the show, you can find his episode. He played Johnny
paul (29:58.629)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (30:04.446)
A couple of my friends were in the sh were in the movie as well as us as playing Elizabeth Shue's character, whose name eludes me right now. Why cannot remember the love interest? Anyway, we remade the movie. We didn't win the competition, but we did win an award for the best adaptation for their chosen genre. Which is kind of cool. That's my that's that's my movie experience.
paul (30:28.011)
Awesome. Excellent. Very cool. So that's it's similar to there is a film festival that is called the 48-hour film festival. And it's a festival that occurs all over the United States. There's 48-hour New York, there's 48-hour Chicago. We in Louisville have 48-hour Louisville. And what so the premise is this: teams assemble and sign up. You go.
Andrew Adams (30:38.712)
Okay.
paul (30:54.723)
To the launch day, and on the launch day, you don't know anything other than your team. On the launch day, you are given a line of dialogue that has to be used in the film. You are given a prop that has to be used in the film, and you're given a character name that has to be used in the film. Okay. Then each team draws a
their genre and there's one other thing that they draw that'll lose me then you have 48 hours to film six to fifteen minutes you have to film it you have to edit it write it the whole th the whole thing has to be done and turn it in the following week the teams get together watch the movies the winner of that movie of that
Andrew Adams (31:43.501)
Yeah, yeah.
paul (31:53.797)
thing since it's associated with all of them worldwide plays a can film festival, interestingly enough. Yeah. I never sent a can either. Like
Andrew Adams (31:59.571)
that's cool. Yeah, mine did not. Mine did not. We did, however, so there were about six people. So there's Yeah. No, so we had myself and Daniel Cornguth, Jason, my my real good friend Jason was in the movie as Mr. Miyagi. And then the girl so that was it. There were basically four actors in the entire thing, but we had on board a co worker's daughter that I had
paul (32:23.685)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (32:28.642)
just met a few weeks earlier, who was doing videography stuff in school, in college. And so she was like, Yeah, this'll be fun. and so she signed up to help us with the editing and like doing the whole like edit because we filming it, we took a class on like how to use the video cameras and stuff, the digital cameras. but like editing was la not really in our wheelhouse. And so she's like, yeah. And so she came on board and she edited and and
produced the whole thing, she has now gone on to be a producer and a videographer for dead the TV show Deadliest Catch.
paul (33:06.979)
Very, very, very cool. Well
Andrew Adams (33:09.25)
Cool for her. I but I didn't get to go to Cannes though, sorry.
paul (33:13.295)
But you you know the person that is on Deadly's catch. That's wild. That's a really dangerous videography job too. Whoa.
Andrew Adams (33:16.194)
Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Adams (33:22.4)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so for a while this movie that I'm just describing was on YouTube because she posted it on YouTube. This was long before I got involved with Whistlekick. If it were happening today, I would have no problem in video editing the entire thing myself. But she video edited it. And as she got to become more famous in the producing world, she started to feel a little like mmm.
paul (33:28.282)
Yeah.
paul (33:38.147)
Right.
paul (33:47.813)
Mm, you should take it down.
Andrew Adams (33:48.088)
People are gonna see this thing I posted and I don't want them to because she didn't think it was good enough for her to showcase what she did, so she took it off YouTube. So th the only way to see it is I have a DVD copy of the movie.
paul (34:02.213)
Very good. Very good. That's the other thing is if you work in the film industry, you have to have your own backups. Otherwise you're gonna lose things. I know so many people that have like I've been in seven movies and I can't see any of the seven.
Andrew Adams (34:15.724)
Ha ha ha.
paul (34:18.689)
Or or I I ha have friends that have been in movies that have been reshot five, six, seven times. Yeah. So but that's interesting because I wonder if there's a way where we could trial run, hear me out, if we could trial run our movie industry, our martial arts movie industry, and all we do is we say we're gonna do a martial arts movie
Andrew Adams (34:25.324)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
paul (34:48.077)
like challenge. And so everybody put your teams together. Announcements are going to happen on this date. And then when announcements happen, it's like this is how we're going to do it. All these micro teams across the United States are going to get together. You have one week to write and direct. We're going to meet on this day and I'm going to give you your prop. I'm going to give you your line of dialogue. I'm going to give you the things that make it unique so that people can't cheat. One week ready set go.
Andrew Adams (35:14.892)
Yep, yep.
paul (35:17.411)
Turn in by this time and it's gotta be in the drop box.
Andrew Adams (35:20.662)
Yep, yep. That's a cool idea. My fear, and this is just the pessimistic side of me, which isn't big, but I I do have it, is as much as the reach of whistlekick has, we would tell everybody, Here, this is a cool thing we're doing, and then one person would do it. Good congratulations, Paul, you win.
paul (35:26.873)
Yeah.
paul (35:36.857)
Well then that one person wins the fact. Right? One person wins. Easy peasy.
Andrew Adams (35:43.567)
yeah, that would be fun. That'd be fun. You know what? If this is a good idea, people listening or watching, tell us. You can contact me, Andrew at whistlekick.com, shoot me an email, or leave a comment on this video on YouTube. Tell if this is a good idea. What's that? Or yes, right, Paul. So we haven't talked much about you, which you know, people can certainly go back and listen to your podcast interview.
paul (35:50.596)
Mm-hmm.
paul (35:54.061)
Mm-hmm.
paul (36:00.885)
Or keep kicking pod at gmail.com. Keep kicking pod at gmail.com
paul (36:11.118)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (36:12.054)
That we did, which was episode number
paul (36:14.981)
Well, I don't I don't know. I have the le I have the link shared and it it is embedded in my website that I am about to launch. Yeah.
Andrew Adams (36:21.698)
There you go. But but Paul Coffee does the Keep Kicking podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So check that out. So let yeah, let us know if this is a good idea. you know, I'd be willing to to help spearhead it and I would volunteer you to do it as well.
paul (36:25.765)
Keep kick keep kicking podcast. Absolutely. Yeah.
paul (36:40.861)
I I I wouldn't be opposed to to doing it. I wouldn't be opposed to doing it. It just i it would be about getting buy-in, but I do think I've I've I've spoken with Nathan Porter about it and then I also spoke a little bit with Jason Brink about it. Not from a standpoint of him being an actor or anything, but he is a writer and he does like martial arts.
Andrew Adams (36:45.72)
That'd be fun. That'd be fun.
Andrew Adams (37:02.956)
Yep. Okay, so here's the next question. Are there people that we would exclude from entering this because they're professionals?
paul (37:14.829)
on the forty-eight hour professionals can enter. The the i the the deal you can enter and have as much of a of a advantage as you want. I th I think what I in my idea when it wasn't a competition and it was just doing the film, the qualification had to be that you had to have a martial arts rank. And that could be a wipeout. Martial arts rank. You had to have
Andrew Adams (37:17.618)
okay.
Andrew Adams (37:40.248)
You had to have a what you had to have a what?
paul (37:44.705)
A white belt, even, you know, but if there's if there's a yellow belt at Mark Warner's school that has a passion for writing short stories, they should get that opportunity. And what I liked about the 48 is that it allowed kids in middle school and high school to come in and do the thing, you know?
Andrew Adams (38:07.564)
Yeah, 'cause 'cause it was I'm assuming the forty eight hours was over a weekend. Yeah. So that way everybody can be involved.
paul (38:11.843)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You you w we would meet at a bar Friday night, get the assignments, and then go. And the film had to be turned in Sunday night.
Andrew Adams (38:24.034)
Yeah, for us, so we met on Friday night to get our genre. We went out the team went out to dinner and discussed how we're gonna put this together. we needed a couple more actors, so I we I worked that out Friday night and we started filming Saturday morning. And I think we did all the filming in one day. And then the editor, she took the rest of the week. I think we were probably done by Wednesday or Thursday, but
paul (38:25.965)
Mm.
paul (38:31.62)
Mm-hmm.
paul (38:39.545)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (38:51.982)
You know, but we had a little more time than the weekend.
paul (38:54.497)
Mm. The it's it is rough to do on a weekend. It is really rough to do.
Andrew Adams (38:59.766)
Yeah, yeah. All right, audience, tell us. Should we do this? Let us know. And I'm gonna let you know and I'm gonna let you know right now, audience. If one person says, which okay, Mark Warner, I'm calling you out. Mark Warner is going to send me a message and say, Yes, absolutely do this. Mark, if you're the only one, we're probably not gonna do it. So if you're listening and watching and your name is not Mark Warner, and you think it's a good idea, tell us.
paul (39:04.665)
Yeah. And if
paul (39:25.753)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (39:28.354)
Because the more people that say we should do it, the more likely we'll actually do it.
paul (39:32.031)
It actually feels like because you specifically called out Mark Warner, Steven or Tommy is gonna be like, it's a good idea, do it.
Andrew Adams (39:39.438)
But do you think it will stop Mark Warner from messaging me? No. Mark, we love you. Love you so much. and he we we're good friends. He knows I'm just calling him out for fun. It's all good. I dig this. I dig it.
paul (39:43.555)
No, definitely not. Yes. Love ya.
paul (39:52.333)
Mm-hmm. I I I I recently recorded with Craig. Okay. And Craig then after recording with me planted a Genesis. My show. I just recorded my 99th episode. I have decided that season one ends at 108. I'm gonna take a maybe a week off and then start season two.
Andrew Adams (40:00.045)
Yep. Yep.
paul (40:19.371)
I wanted to do something special for my 108th episode. Craig is like, hey, we should do an episode that's me and you and my three kung fu uncles. So I'm scheduling an interview that is me, Craig, Tommy, Mark, and Steven.
So that's gonna be our my one hundred and eighth episode and like w Craig's like, we'll probably need like six hours.
Andrew Adams (40:44.259)
Dig it.
Andrew Adams (40:49.366)
Yeah. Well, Ian, you're not gonna be able to schedule it for like four months 'cause everyone's so busy.
paul (40:53.827)
Right. Well h we're I I think we're gonna schedule it actually next week. I think it's working out to be next week, so we'll see. Yeah.
Andrew Adams (41:00.418)
Wow, that's great. That is awesome. Well, you know, let me be the first on air to publicly congratulate you. Ninety-nine episodes, right? coming up on a hundred. So many podcasts start out there and don't come anywhere close to that. So, congratulations.
paul (41:11.279)
you. Thank yeah. Yeah.
paul (41:19.277)
Right. That's right. That's right. I I mean I don't have any chance of catching up with you all. Episode thousand. I would I would have to do one a day, five days a week. You know, like I would have to marathon purposefully try and catch up with
Andrew Adams (41:27.438)
I mean you could. yeah yeah yeah.
Andrew Adams (41:38.155)
you're saying to catch up and surpass us at the same time.
paul (41:41.465)
Well, like just to like catch up and then even if I just rose to together at the same time. Yeah.
Andrew Adams (41:45.742)
No, no, but you don't have to catch up, but I think you will get to if you c you can get to eleven hundred episodes. I mean we'll be at you know.
paul (41:51.447)
I can get to eleven hundred episodes. You'll be at three thousand when I'm at eleven hundred.
Andrew Adams (41:55.663)
3000 at that point, but you know, you don't have to catch up though, because it's not a race, right? And I I think this brings up a really big important point that I bring up on the show a lot when I talk with guests, which is you host your own podcast and we are friends, and I have you on my show, and I'll come on your show. And you know, you mentioned you just recorded with Randall, you know, the Kung Fu like, and he's giving you other people you should talk to. Like, we don't
paul (41:59.565)
Right. It's it is not a race.
paul (42:11.141)
Mm-hmm.
paul (42:15.664)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
paul (42:25.114)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (42:25.752)
All these martial arts podcasts do not have to hate each other. And I think
paul (42:30.007)
In the same capacity that martial arts schools don't have to hate each other.
Andrew Adams (42:35.736)
Ding ding ding. Took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah. This was yeah, this was great.
paul (42:37.603)
Right. Yeah. That's that's my favorite part of whistlekick as an organization. It's about bringing each other up, not discrediting each other for sake of making you look better.
Andrew Adams (42:52.642)
Yep, yep. And it's not easy. We get we get kickback. You know, there are some martial arts schools here in town, in my town in Key New Hampshire that that they they don't they don't get what we're trying to do, and that's unfortunate. So
paul (43:05.475)
Hmm. I think I it's it's because livelihood is attached to the thing. You know? Yeah. And I like I get it, but it sucks. And if we could get everybody on board with the lifting each other up, I think it makes it easier to expand that three percent, which is what this conversation's been about.
Andrew Adams (43:12.268)
I think that's a big part of it. But that's okay.
Andrew Adams (43:29.602)
That's where we all started from, for sure. Awesome. Dude, this was so much fun. Totally went. See, and this is why I do this series, the Martial Things With, because we didn't come in with any sort of expectation. We just went and it allowed us to be completely free form and not stick to a not that Jeremy and I have a script. When Jeremy and I record podcast episodes, we don't have a script per se.
paul (43:31.533)
Cream.
paul (43:35.617)
It was. It was.
paul (43:41.156)
Right.
Right.
paul (43:49.508)
Mm-hmm.
paul (43:53.23)
Right, right, right.
paul (43:57.283)
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Adams (43:57.475)
But we have a topic and we try to stick to that topic and you know, we might have bullet points that we won't talk about ahead of time that we want to make sure we hit, but it's not as freeform as this was. Like no one could have guessed this was where it was gonna go.
paul (44:00.751)
Mm-hmm.
paul (44:12.139)
Absolutely not. And I I love it. Love it, love it, love it.
Andrew Adams (44:14.914)
I do too. anything else before we close out?
paul (44:18.823)
Mm, no, I think I think we did it, right?
Andrew Adams (44:21.326)
Awesome. Well viewers, because I know you switched over to YouTube when you heard how handsome my face is.
To face only radio would love. the if you're v watching on YouTube, hit that like and subscribe button. It r it people don't rate recognize how big of a deal that is and how much it helps. Leave a comment, tell us that you want us to do this movie idea. Cause I'm genuinely serious. I would absolutely be happy to help Spearhead help spearhead this. so let us know. if you are listening in your car, awesome.
paul (44:37.988)
Mm-hmm.
paul (44:42.53)
Absolutely.
paul (44:55.363)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (44:59.522)
Don't try and send me an email while you're driving. Pull over first. Shoot me an email, andrew at whistlekick.com. You can go to Whistlekick Martial Arts Radio dot com to find out about all of the episodes that we've done. You can find transcripts, connect to all the video and and audio links will be there. You can subscribe to our newsletter. and you can go to whistlekick.com to find out about all of the events that we host. Purchase books from us.
paul (45:02.724)
Right.
Andrew Adams (45:27.468)
Maybe you want to purchase some sparring gear, all of that stuff. There's so much information there. attend some of the events, whether you want to go to Louisville, Kentucky and attend Free Training Day that Paul Coffee is hosting. what's that? August eighth, that's right. Maybe you want to go to Free to Training Day, Philadelphia that Jenny is hosting in September. I believe it's the thirteenth, yep.
paul (45:27.749)
Mm.
paul (45:40.375)
August eight. August eight.
paul (45:50.831)
September thirteenth.
Andrew Adams (45:55.267)
Free training day. You maybe you're in the Midwest and you want to go to Free Training Day Midwest over in Kansas. That's happening in October. But I'm not gonna give you the date for two reasons. One, I want you to go to the website and find out. And two, I don't a hundred percent remember off the top of my head right now. But anyway, or maybe you want to come to Marshall.
paul (46:09.559)
Mm-hmm.
paul (46:12.976)
Yeah.
paul (46:16.665)
My father says when you don't have hair, some things do escape.
Andrew Adams (46:21.666)
That's true, that's true. And then le one of the other events we're hosting this year, Marshall Summit, four day event in November. you cannot find, to my knowledge, and I encourage you to email me if you do know of one, a four day martial arts event where the training is completely free.
paul (46:44.195)
You can I add this is not a plug, even though this is on your show. That is the best martial arts event that I have ever experienced in the 33 years that I have been in martial arts. And and if you don't believe me, if you watch my show, I call it out all the time on my show.
Andrew Adams (46:46.348)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (46:58.872)
Thank you. That's that means a lot.
paul (47:07.449)
There's a certain port importance to the community building that exists in Whistlekick, the community of building that should exist in all martial arts. And that event is the best martial arts event I have been to in thirty three years. Too well. Yeah.
Andrew Adams (47:23.064)
Thank you. I appreciate that. and if you're listening or watching and we still haven't sold you on it, this year, four day martial arts event. The training is completely free. Yes, it does cost money in terms of you have to get there, right? You have to you have to be there. You need a place to stay. We're not gonna give you a free hotel room. But Master Ken is going to be at our event this year. So if you wanna come see Master Ken live in person, come to Marshall Summit. He will be here.
paul (47:37.603)
Mm-hmm.
paul (47:49.114)
Mm-hmm.
paul (47:52.911)
Brilliant.
Andrew Adams (47:54.144)
Awesome. Paul, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. I enjoy every time we get together and and and and we just apparently we may have started a new project. Awesome. Paul, thank you so much. And to the audience, train hard, smile, and have a great day.
paul (47:57.113)
Thank you.
So much fun.
paul (48:04.673)
I love it. Love it. Projects are good. Like projects. Thank you.
paul (48:14.126)
Love it.