Episode 1069 - NO Politics in Training

In this episode Jeremy is joined by Victor Guarino and Jenni Nather. They sit down and discuss politics in training, and why they have no place.

NO Politics in Training - Episode 1069

SUMMARY

In this conversation, the hosts discuss the intersection of politics and training in martial arts, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a supportive community while navigating personal beliefs. They explore the impact of social media on discussions, the value of diverse perspectives, and the significance of relationships over being right.

The conversation highlights the responsibility of martial arts instructors to create a welcoming environment for all students, regardless of their political views, and the importance of kindness and understanding in fostering personal growth.

TAKEAWAYS

• Politics should not interfere with training environments.

• Building relationships is more important than being right.

• Diverse perspectives enhance personal growth.

• Social media influences how we discuss sensitive topics.

• Creating a supportive community is essential in martial arts.

• Intentions behind conversations matter more than the topics discussed.

• Kindness should be prioritized in all interactions.

• Understanding different viewpoints can lead to better communication.

• Martial arts training can help individuals become better versions of themselves.

• It's crucial to focus on the 80% of common ground rather than the 20% of differences.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction
2:52 Navigating Sensitive Topics
5:45 The Importance of Context in Conversations
6:10 Getting Better by Challenging Ourselves
7:21 Building Relationships Over Being Right
9:21 The Value of Diverse Perspectives
12:09 Creating an Inclusive Training Environment
17:10 The Impact of Social Media on Conversations
22:36 Focusing on Common Ground
26:30 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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SHOW TRANSCRIPT

Jeremy Lesniak (20:45.202)

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Whistlekick Martial Arts Radio. And on today's episode, I'm going to chat with Jenny and Victor. We're going to three of us are going to talk about politics within the context of training, not martial arts politics, but the role that politics, you know, the out there, the voting stuff has.

within the martial arts. This might be what you expect it to be. It might not be. You'll have to stick around and find out. Now I mentioned Jenny and Victor joined here by two Whistlekick core team members, divisional directors. I don't know if what I'm looking at is exactly what's gonna be in the video. So to me, you're in the middle, Jenny. So I'll start with you. Here we have Jenny Nathor. Jenny, you wear a couple hats for Whistlekick. What is it you do?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (21:43.542)

I am the Free Training Day Mid-Atlantic Event Coordinator and the Book Division Director, as well as a Free Training Day Team Liaison.

Jeremy Lesniak (21:50.448)

And of course you're the only person out of the three of us not wearing free training day merchandise. But you're wearing a whistle kick shirt, so I guess I guess that's OK.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (21:54.478)

I didn't get the memo.

Victor Guarino (21:57.289)

but you are wearing a whistle kick shirt, so.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (22:00.588)

I am. And it's my favorite whistle kick shirt. This is the one about, you know, better than I used to be. This is my favorite one that I own.

Jeremy Lesniak (22:07.722)

Which I just retired from the website yesterday because they'd been on for six months Yeah, if you like the stuff at the website you gotta buy And Victor who are you?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (22:11.278)

we can fix it all.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (22:16.418)

Yes.

Victor Guarino (22:21.615)

so I work as the director of, you know, partners and sponsorships. I also am the free training day mid direct co-director or Midwest co-director because I do it with my wife. She helps me. and also I handle some social media stuff, which is what I was doing this morning. because whistle kick sparring gear is back in stock. So I was setting some posts up to inform the public of that.

Jeremy Lesniak (22:50.812)

Yeah. Cool.

We're not going to talk about any of those things though. We're going to talk about politics. when I don't know about, we're all roughly the same age. When, when I was a kid, there were a handful of subjects that we did not, that we were taught not to talk about. You don't talk about politics. You don't talk about religion. You don't talk about abortion. You don't talk about capital punishment. Like those were like the four that unless you really knew someone, you were, I don't want to say forbidden, but

Victor Guarino (22:56.722)

Nope.

Jeremy Lesniak (23:24.484)

It just wasn't a good idea to step into those areas of conversation. And it seems that every single bit of that has fallen away with social media. Somebody respond.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (23:39.107)

Yes, I agree. And whether it's the social media influence or whatever is going on, just the general awareness is out there now and people want to talk about it. They have big feelings about it. They want to bring it up. And it's the kind of thing that comes up during Thanksgiving dinner now when, you know, that's something we used to say no to as well, right? It's another family situation where everybody wants to dig their heels in on why they feel the way they feel.

Victor Guarino (24:08.274)

Yeah, I guess I've always known that those are the three things that you, the topics that you avoid. Though I grew up with a caveat, and that caveat was if it's Christmas Eve, we are at my dad's best friend's house, who his family turned into my family's best friend. It's after midnight and everyone has a drink in there.

Then everything's fine. here's the caveat, relationship. Because everybody was safe. Big Italian families, we get loud. I've often had people at my family gatherings being like, my gosh, how alcohol has your family consumed? And I'm like, none. How angry are they? Not even remotely.

But I only bring this up because it's a safe, the environment for that specific group of people was safe. And everybody came in as friends and family. Everybody left as family, friends. And the social media thing I think is true because social media allows us to put our thoughts out there. And I don't think it's taught that not every one of your thoughts needs to be heard by every single.

Jeremy Lesniak (25:29.778)

So Victor, not only did you give us what seems to be the plot line for a really bad Gremlins, like, C-movie reboot with your rules, which I love. Thank you for that, by the way. But I think you hit on an important piece here.

Victor Guarino (25:40.156)

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Lesniak (25:50.608)

The difference, I think, between being able to have these conversations in a healthy way and a, I'm not gonna say healthy, let's say a way where we can remain friends after. I think it has to do with context. The amount of context and history you have with the person that you're talking to. I've got plenty of friends, I'm sure you both have plenty of friends, where you can talk about some of these more sensitive subjects.

And you probably can think of a few people right now where you disagree. And you could have the sub the conversation. I actually love having the shocker, right? I you both know me pretty well. And, you know, here we are a thousand and whatever episodes. I love talking to people and I love talking to people about things that maybe I don't know or I disagree on, because I believe if I am not willing to challenge my beliefs, then I have no right to those beliefs.

That's my personal view.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (26:50.272)

It's hard to set a belief when you don't have all of the information. it is important to find those safe people where you can challenge those beliefs.

Jeremy Lesniak (27:01.542)

And there's a bit of a martial arts philosophy there too, right? We get better by challenging each other. We spar each other. We criticize each other, you know, again, hopefully in a healthy way.

Victor Guarino (27:13.083)

Yeah, I always think of this thing and not to say my main point, you know, within the first five minutes of our conversation, but I'm sure everybody's heard people throughout their life say there's only two types of people in the world and then like everybody has a different two types of people. My sister, when I graduated college, that to me. And honestly, I think that she was the most right that I've ever heard anyone say.

And she said, the two types of people are people who want to be right and people who want to love and be loved. And you can't be both at the same time. And I think about that when I enter every conversation. Because sometimes, she doesn't even remember saying it, Jeremy. I said that once where she goes, that was really good. Who said that? I'm like, you did. You said that to me. But it's so true because there are friends of mine that you mentioned that we

Jeremy Lesniak (27:52.902)

Powerful.

Victor Guarino (28:10.79)

There are topics we need to talk about that are iffy, but we both know that our relationship is more important, so we won't have them unless we can be in the same room. We won't have them over text. We won't even have them over phone. We need to be in the same room because we want to be in relationship with each other rather than be right.

Jeremy Lesniak (28:30.512)

because that is what's most important.

Now I have had meals in each of your homes.

We know each other pretty well. We've spent years working together. I don't think I've ever talked politics with either one of you. Now we've spent enough time together. I've got an idea of a good number of your political beliefs. You probably have some, some opinions, some guesses on what I would believe, but we've never had those conversations because that's not going to make our lives better. It doesn't make it easier for us to build common ground to work from.

It doesn't.

Jeremy Lesniak (29:12.85)

make me like you more. If we agree or disagree, that doesn't make me like you more. I'd be afraid it might make you like me less. It's not going to change my opinion of you.

And I think that when we look at training, you know, the dojo, the dojang, the academy, whatever you call your school, I think we could take everything that we just said in the first, however, five minutes or so of this, and we can apply it to probably everybody in any training situation.

Do agree?

Victor Guarino (29:51.822)

No, for sure.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (29:56.471)

I was actually just thinking about the fact that my husband is probably the person that I disagree most with and we're still married so...

Jeremy Lesniak (29:56.966)

So go ahead, Jenny.

Jeremy Lesniak (30:06.256)

Which, hold on, I want everyone out there to understand that that is both the most ridiculous and least expected statement that I could have ever heard from Jenny. If you've met Matt.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (30:19.254)

He's absolutely my polar opposite, but that's one of the reasons why we still have great conversation. I can still come to him and say, listen, this is the thing and I'm having these big feelings about this thing and I need to talk it through. And it doesn't matter what he actually believes. He's great at telling me the opposite side so that we can hash the whole thing out. And he does that in a lot of situations and with a lot of people. So yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak (30:23.548)

but a great guy.

Jeremy Lesniak (30:46.599)

he does.

Victor Guarino (30:48.187)

Are you saying that Matt is a contrarian, sometimes for the sole purpose of being a contrarian?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (30:55.948)

You say that like you don't know.

Jeremy Lesniak (30:59.954)

There's a lot of value there, right? Because as you said, being able to understand things from a different perspective. We talk about that in martial arts as cross training, right? Like if I always do this, I'm kicking and punching and I wanna, I don't know, be the most well-rounded martial artist I can be, I probably need some time as a grappler or whatever, somebody else, to better understand how the body works in other ways. And that's gonna make me better at what I do.

I forget where we were headed, but Victor, say something.

Victor Guarino (31:37.022)

It's so funny because it does all go back to what is your purpose in conversion? you want to, not to reiterate, but do you want to be right or do you want to be in deeper relationship with the person across from you? Our daughter, all the time, she'll come out into the living room and her mom and I are talking and she'll ask us, how do you have not run out of things to talk about? Like, well, you're 13 and you and your friends have not lived

life yet, right? So I get that you can understand, you know, run out of things to talk about. But honestly, like, we try to tell her when you're talking with someone that you care about, half the stuff that we talked about is about nothing. It's not what we are discussing that is important. It's the person across from us that is important. And this may be here's another shocker. I, from the ages of 16, probably about

"Philly Jenni" Nather (32:11.214)

you know.

Victor Guarino (32:35.418)

Super political, super into politics. I would talk about it with everyone and then I went away into what I refer to as my desert and I spent some time in the desert, navel gazing. And when I came back, you know, to the people who knew that version of me and I just didn't care about it. I just didn't talk about it. And they're like, why? And I said, I don't know how you are. This is a Victor's truth.

Truth for me, I cannot care about politics in that way anymore and still care about the person across from me. And so I decided which one of those two things I cared about more. And so I don't talk about those things.

My students know things that I believe, but that's because they know that I care about them. And we privately, they'll ask me questions. And we have private conversations that are more about the deeper relationship that we hold as a dojo community and less about, want to make sure everybody in this room agrees with me because then I'll feel safe.

Jeremy Lesniak (33:52.723)

For those of you out there, if you've been around a while, you might have heard us talk about at various times the six freedoms of martial arts. And this was something that we dropped maybe in 22, New Year's 22, New Year's 23. I forget what year it was.

Victor Guarino (34:08.769)

In I was here. I was in Kansas.

Jeremy Lesniak (34:16.634)

Idea being I was I wanted to come up with what I was calling a bill of rights for martial arts. And it was something we kicked around a lot in the core team and come to find out almost everybody agrees on almost all of these even broadly in the first one is the freedom to train. And I use this as a guidepost a lot and so when we take this conversation we start looking specifically at a martial arts environment.

where you have somebody walking off the street and maybe they're wearing... I believe, being in Vermont, having schools in Vermont, I believe I am in the least politically diverse state. That is what the numbers seem to point at. And areas that I am in...

Jeremy Lesniak (35:10.787)

maybe even a little.

less diverse than the state as a whole. But you might imagine someone walking in with some politically affiliated shirt. Am I going to throw them out if they don't adhere to my beliefs?

Jeremy Lesniak (35:30.234)

I'm not, and why should I?

So Jenny, Victor, let's imagine, and please pose your hypotheticals in ways that make them equally applicable regardless of the hypothetical person's beliefs. If someone walks into your school interested in training and you're able to make an educated guess on their politics based on...

specific word choice or things they're wearing or vehicle they're driving and how it's appointed, what do you do?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (36:11.03)

No matter what, I'm still welcoming. We, as a whole, our school will welcome you in. It has no bearing on how well you can do a low block, right? So let's get together, let's train. If you have an open mind and you're willing to hear what the other members of our school community can say without it affecting your relationship with the school, I don't see why you can't train with us.

Jeremy Lesniak (36:40.914)

What I'm hearing is it's about how they act, not what they believe. As long as they act right, as long as they're not a jerk.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (36:46.476)

Right, exactly.

Yes. Yes. There are plenty of folks who are members of either my current school community or my previous school community where I found out about political beliefs well after. I was like, I had no idea. It didn't affect the way I trained because the lessons were still the same, right?

Victor Guarino (37:10.165)

Yeah. And may I add that this might be inadvertently another, tick in the pro column for school uniforms. because I mean, listen, I can choose to be offended at anything and everything if, if I want it to be, but long ago, my, my instructor, when we were having a conversation about the only person that we control as ourselves,

He was like, just stop trying to worry about everyone trying to offend you and just choose to not be offendable. He's like, that's an easier, an easier pill for me to swallow. I was like, that's pretty true. And so I choose to look past whatever's on the shirt, right? And see the person behind it. Now we have rules that aren't necessarily for that specific thing, but they do protect.

They do protect the rest of the students, right? And that's simply, everyone's in uniform. Can't see what's written on your shirt if you're in uniform. I can't choose to make it about what's on that person's shirt or have someone else make it about what's on that person's shirt. We all wear the same thing. It's t-shirt month, cool. You're only allowed to be in a t-shirt if you're wearing a school shirt and we have a diversity. Listen.

We're not one of those schools where everyone's got to look the same. I have a shirt that has a banana on it doing karate on our website. And that is a official allowed school shirt. You are only not allowed to wear that on testing days. But I have, my wife will wear her banana karate t-shirt to teach class during t-shirt month, right? You're allowed to have a personality, right? But

But listen, we want you to also care about the people around you. And just the same way that if we had a student who was purposely coming to train with us, think about that. Think about like, let's go into the fantasy world that is Cobra Kai. If I had a student that walked into my class, like into my class, hey, I'm getting bullied at school. I need help protecting myself. We're going to take that student.

Victor Guarino (39:35.209)

Conversely, if I had a student walk into my class saying, hey, I really want to bully people at my school. So I sign up for karate classes. It's about their intent. I'm not going to let that person be in my school as long as they continue that intent. So if someone is purposefully coming in to stir up trouble with my students, I'm not going or other people.

They're going to find their way out of my school, not because I'm going to necessarily kick them out. I've only ever, in three schools that I've taught in, one person had asked to not come back. And they were a friend of mine, go figure. But that was because they were not heeding a three-hour conversation I had about the good of the whole, about what our culture was.

And so that's just, you got to look at the person. You got to look at the person behind the flags and for a society that constantly doesn't want people to label them, we are so quick to put labels on ourselves and make sure that everybody knows what we are instead of just existing and taking the time to get to know people.

Jeremy Lesniak (41:00.05)

Yeah, that's another subject that we could probably spend a lot of time on and we're not going to, but maybe that's another episode that we dig into. I think that would be really interesting. What it comes back to for me is it's two things. I do not ask, I do not try to find out the politics of my students or in the case of the kids, their parents. I don't care.

There is no situation where I can imagine that teaching them is a bad thing. Now, as often happens, this subject comes from some conversation that happened on social media. And I had people saying, you know, these particular beliefs are non-starters for me. If someone feels this, that, or the other, I absolutely will not teach them. okay, so how are you finding out that they are that?

that thing that person that that belief are you asking them. I think you have far more to lose. Making a political interview part of your your trial class than anything else so don't do that if you have a school don't do that please. Secondly even if i do know because i live in a small area i know a lot about a lot of people around. I have to agree.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (42:10.966)

If you're in school, don't do it.

Jeremy Lesniak (42:24.994)

I believe martial arts makes people better. It makes them better version of themselves. If I believe that my particular set of beliefs as it relates to politics are, I don't love this phrase, more evolved, but better, right? In some way they are better, which let's face it, there are beliefs out there that I'm sure we could point out and each of us would say that is a lesser belief.

Right? We might have to go a little extreme, but I think we would all find some of those. those are, if that's true, wouldn't martial arts training help lift people out of those lesser beliefs and make them better, more functional members of society? And if that's true and I have the ability to help do that, isn't it, isn't it good idea for me to do that rather than

pushing them away and making them more solidified in their lesser belief.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (43:31.395)

Yeah, and what's going through my mind at this point is the idea of cross training again. Not only do I need to find someone who's willing to share information with me when that's not my only style and system, I have to be willing to hear why they do what they do, right? It's got to be back and forth. There's got to be communication. And that is how we both get better is by sharing that thought. If I if I decide to walk in and say, no, no, this is how I've always done it.

neither one of us learns anything, right? And nobody's ever gonna change my mind by saying you have to do it this way.

Victor Guarino (44:12.788)

Yeah, like I Know no Jeremy at the beginning of this I told you I left my soapbox upstairs but like this is so good because I don't even and I get where you're coming from Jeremy about not lighting liking the more evolved because it's not even about being right Like having the more right stands for right belief When you reach fiction the most compelling villains

of a fictional story don't know that they're villains. They think everything that they are doing is correct. And so that's why we like them, because they have layers. And I'm not calling people who disagree with me villains, because they're not. Going back to the social media thing, everything is about curating your feed, making sure that things that come up on your quote unquote for you page are exactly

what you want to see and nothing else. Life isn't like that. My daughter recently started homeschooling and she came up to me and she was like, all of the friends, cause we go and we meet with this big group of like a couple hundred homeschoolers that just all have agreed to meet at the park at a certain time every single day so that they can socialize. Great, great stuff. But she's like, yeah, all of my friends that I've been hanging out with are like one to two years younger than me. I'm like, who cares?

School is the only time in your life where you are stuck in a room for five hours a day with the exact same age demographic of people.

And if you cannot stand to be in a place where there are individuals who do not agree with 100 % of what you think, then I would stand to reason you do not belong in society. I only, with my wife being the exception, my friend, my close friend, people on this call included, I would say that on a good day, I agree with 80 %

Victor Guarino (46:21.371)

of what you think and believe. And those are people closest to me. But think about all of the things that you believe. That's a high number, 80%.

You're never going to end if you and if you do, I say you need to open your circle up a little bit more because you probably are incapable and lack social skills to be around people who view the world differently than you. And if my school can be that, if my school is the opportunity for other people of different worldviews to come together, awesome. And I know it is.

Jeremy Lesniak (47:00.13)

exist in the world, times and places where people would get together that acknowledged their, the 20 % difference, but they just remained focused on the 80. And I think training is inherently one of those places. And it's only when we focus on the 20 % difference, it's only when we go the route of social media where

we step into conversations with people without the depth of understanding of who they are.

that things fall apart. Why do we want things to fall apart? If you're a martial arts school and you're letting these conversations happen within your building, I don't even mean just on the floor during class time, but within the hours that people step in, you are asking for trouble. I know a school that, and I'm sure there are plenty of them out there, that closed because of politics.

There was another school that the owner, the head instructor reached out to me that it was starting to get there. That parents on the side started talking politics during class and it was starting to get heated. And we have a blog at whistlekick.com on my feelings on that, you know, pretty much what we're talking about here. And they went back and they banned political discussion.

And if it's not a formal rule, because it's not a formal rule in my school, it just hasn't happened. Because we focus on training. And when people come in, they're talking about getting ready to train. When they're done training, they're talking about what they just trained. But you better believe the moment I start hearing that happen within those four walls, there's a hard rule coming. I don't feel the need to make the hard rule for the thing that hasn't happened yet, because then that makes people talk about it. Right?

Victor Guarino (49:01.809)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Lesniak (49:04.656)

Why would you want to have policies that distanced people from yourself and made them less likely to train with you?

Victor Guarino (49:17.175)

mean, martial arts is a journey. And if we want to talk about it as more than just, we get in a room and we learn how to fight, because I hear that all the time. It's more than about the combat. It's more about when the fighting is just the evidence. Cool. But then what are you doing? How are you helping your students and your culture move towards enlightenment beyond martial enlightenment, beyond punching and kicking enlightenment? You to create an environment for that.

You know our unofficial rules. Some of our students can probably even quote it. If you walk into our dojo, you see it. No flags, no nations, no rulers. We are super specific about what goes on our walls and what more importantly doesn't go on our walls. Everything is about the environment for each person's personal journey, mind, body, spirit.

Jeremy Lesniak (50:12.7)

Anything to check?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (50:15.118)

I was thinking that my martial journey, the connections that I've made with people, because I've been fighting them and getting that close contact, that made me feel more comfortable asking questions about other viewpoints and having those conversations. So that's a huge bonus for training martial arts for me, is that that helped break down some of those barriers where you're afraid somebody's gonna...

offend you or somebody is going to ridicule you for the things that you believe. And it gives you a chance to have those conversations about opposing viewpoints so you can learn from each other.

Jeremy Lesniak (50:58.482)

So we'll start to wind here and I think. We ended up roughly where I expected we would, and so for those of you out there.

If you've watched or listened to us have this conversation and you still disagree, I would ask why is your political opinion, because these are opinions, right? None of them are facts. Your opinions may be rooted in facts, but your opinion isn't an opinion. Everyone has one. I hate the second half of that cliche, by the way. I know. That's why I acknowledge it. I hate it. I don't like that one.

Victor Guarino (51:27.728)

you

"Philly Jenni" Nather (51:28.418)

both thinking it. know.

Victor Guarino (51:31.024)

you

Jeremy Lesniak (51:36.218)

Why is it so important for you to be right that someone would have to leave? That you would create an environment where they have to leave? Now, historically, when I found someone whose opinion was that fragile, they were actually fearful that they were wrong. Maybe that's not you. Maybe it is you.

Jeremy Lesniak (51:55.589)

I believe martial arts makes people better. believe six months of martial arts training is life-lasting with its lessons. We've talked about that on this show many, many times. And I believe that we all, if we have a school, if we have the ability to share what we've learned, we have a responsibility to do so for as many people as possible. I spend a lot of time working with a lot of schools who spend a lot of money to get people to walk over the threshold.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (52:19.118)

Thank

Jeremy Lesniak (52:23.942)

Don't offhandedly.

reduce the your your number of prospects because of beliefs that have no bearing on your training it doesn't a Punch is a punch a kick is a kick a throw in a roll or still throws and rolls regardless of any political thing that happens and If your instinct was to jump to coming up with a ridiculous scenario

where the other side made that knot so you're the problem.

stop being the

Jeremy Lesniak (53:12.572)

Jenny, any final thoughts?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (53:13.582)

Yes.

I ended my interview episode the same way. The world needs more kindness.

Jeremy Lesniak (53:22.618)

If people want to find books from the book division, where do they go?

"Philly Jenni" Nather (53:26.278)

They can check out whistlekick.com. We've got a collection of books in the Whistlekick store or email me books at whistlekick.com. I'll help you out.

Jeremy Lesniak (53:36.518)

Victor, anything to end on?

Victor Guarino (53:43.919)

just, I, so many things, but I remember, I remember my father walking around the house one day yelling, it's about your heart, not about what you say. And you can't get to know someone's heart unless you get to know them. Remember it's about the people across from you. And if you're on social media, you're a public figure. If you have not had a cup of coffee with every single person,

that you follow or follows you. Congratulations. You are a public figure. should create your social media like that and keep private, personal conversations private and personal. Not like every other public figure does. Because I think you said it starts with social media conversations. That's how this started this episode. And that's generally where these fights start.

"Philly Jenni" Nather (54:41.454)

And how many minds are changed by something you post on social media?

Jeremy Lesniak (54:47.746)

Absolutely none. The people that know your name care about you far more regardless of their beliefs than the people who don't regardless of their political position. Remember that. We are...

Victor Guarino (54:58.062)

I heard Tom Holland say this once, if you have a problem with me, text me and if you don't have my number, you don't have a problem.

Jeremy Lesniak (55:10.246)

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training hard, smile, and have a nice day.

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